RMweb Gold 46444 Posted May 8, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 8, 2010 Afternoon, Been looking around for some info on the Dapol N gauge 14xx and partnering autocoach. Can't find much info on it to be honest. I understand the first series came with out blackened wheels but I'm interested in BR black one with blackened wheels and a crimson and cream autocoach. What I have found suggests it's not a brilliant runner but I would value a more honest account from people who have them. Also is it easily DCC'able? In thought I could use this as a steam special on my layout based around St. Keyne Station on the Looe Valley Line. See my posting on the Liskeard to Looe Branch on the UK Prototype board re: the use of a 94xx on the branch later in the year. Cheers. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
n-gauge Posted May 8, 2010 Share Posted May 8, 2010 I have one, from a middle run of them so it has blackened wheel treads. It is possible to DCC them, and there is a useful guide on the Dapol website. Good eyesight and skill with a soldering iron is needed (mine has a permanently coupled autocoach which houses the decoder). Running wise its better than the 44xx and M7 - it has a sensible starting and top speed. Pulling power isn't great, but then what did they pull in real life? The rear wheels are sprung and have pickups, so it will run through dead frog pointwork better than other short wheelbase 0-6-0s. George Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kris Posted May 8, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 8, 2010 Mine runs okay, maybe not the most fantastic model around but very much not the worst. Haulage is limited, but that was not a problem for me. Can't say I've run it much recently but that has far more to do with modelling in 2mm rather than n. DCCing was not to much of an issue, I just followed the guide on the website. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted May 8, 2010 Share Posted May 8, 2010 ... Pulling power isn't great, but then what did they pull in real life?... I believe their load could be up to four autocoaches, two either end of the loco, plus one or two vans as tail traffic. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Moss Posted May 8, 2010 Share Posted May 8, 2010 A friend bought one so he could use the chassis to motor a 009 loco. Runs lovely. Never thought you could get that smooth running in N! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 46444 Posted May 8, 2010 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 8, 2010 Evening, Thanks for all of your replies. The 14xx doesn't sound so bad afterall. The decoder wiring on the Dapol website sounds simple but complex as well but within my capabilities. May have to treat myself!!! Cheers. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kris Posted May 9, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 9, 2010 I believe their load could be up to four autocoaches, two either end of the loco, plus one or two vans as tail traffic. Nick If you've got a nice level layout you should get away with that. Not much more though. Mine didn't like going up some rather steep gradients with very much at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Harbour Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 I've got two that I've run around a simple figure of 8 test track. Both run very smoothly and haul a 'reasonable' length train (four or five Grafar suburban coaches) without any dramas up and down a 2 percent slope. Haven't tried to DCC them yet, but given my limited soldering skills I'll probably get that done by somebody else! very happy with them both. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 46444 Posted May 9, 2010 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 9, 2010 Evening, Thanks for the replies, The 14xx could be making a guest apearance on my layout after your honest reviews. My layout is flat so a 14xx and an Autocoach should by the sounds of things cope admirably. Cheers. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold McRuss Posted May 10, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 10, 2010 I've got a 14xx too. I've converted it to DCC using a TCS Z2 DCC chip. The 14xx is my most reliable Dapol loco. Markus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 46444 Posted May 10, 2010 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 10, 2010 I've got a 14xx too. I've converted it to DCC using a TCS Z2 DCC chip. The 14xx is my most reliable Dapol loco. Markus Evening Markus, Thanks for that. Sounds promising and glad to hear she's a reliable loco as well. Cheers. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M51625 Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 Hi, probably a little late here but: i have 3 of these engines one purchased when they first came out aand 2 since including one black one as released a while back. All run very well, and all can manage to move my 5 coach rake of Farish MK1 suburban coaches, i very much doubt the real things ever did that much. I do recall one of these engines visiting the Great Central railway back in the late 90's and managed a 6 coach rake of Mk1 coaches no problem, only issue was the trains ran late as the engine needed to take water after ever trip! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 46444 Posted May 17, 2010 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 17, 2010 Evening M51625, Thanks for the info. Cheers. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elvinley Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Generally a good model with most being silent runners. I bought some of the chassis straight from Dapol and at first half of them didn't work. They all needed to be oiled and have the armature manually moved to make them go. Once they were up and running most were great. I suspect they had been in storage for a while. Haulage varies massively, I think due to the varying pressure from the spring on the pony axle. My latest one had a nasty wobble and had to be returned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Al Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 They all needed to be oiled and have the armature manually moved to make them go. Once they were up and running most were great. I suspect they had been in storage for a while. The grease seems to dry out and go solid fairly quickly on the early ones. I clean it out and relubricate. Cheers, Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elvinley Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 They seem ok after that. Don't even run hot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 22, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 22, 2011 I believe their load could be up to four autocoaches, two either end of the loco, plus one or two vans as tail traffic. Nick The permitted loading for auto fitted engines came in two forms - one load table when working an 'ordinary' train and another table when working a rail motor service. The permitted loads for rail motor services were governed by the gradient and the following applied for 14XX 1 in 40 72 tons 1 in 50 96 tons 1 in 60 120 tons 1 in 80 144 tons 1 in 100 168 tons In contrast under the ordinary trailing load tonnage tables a 14XX was permitted to take 220 tons trailing on any section of the route from Paddington to Bristol in the Down direction and a generally similar load in the Up direction but reduced to 198 tons effectively between Bristol and Swindon via either route. They were, remarkably, allowed 310 tons between Old Oak Common and Kensington but only 258 or 284 (depending on stops) in the opposite direction while in one or two other places - and invariably downhill - they were allowed 336 tons. Whether they ever actually did it is another issue but they were gutsy little locos and they could - as is well known - also run pretty fast when the occasion (or competition) so demanded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Thanks for those details, Mike, even if it did take you a while to respond Perhaps what I should have said was that I'd not seen photos of them with more than four trailers and a van. Do you happen to know what what the weight of a typical trailer is? Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leachsprite4 Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 I have to confess to this being my dads fotopic site but one autotank with 7 coaches in 1971 http://50yearsofstea.../p68098178.html This would be around 189 tonnes unloaded as for some reason I think they weigh about 27 tonnes each. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 22, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 22, 2011 Thanks for those details, Mike, even if it did take you a while to respond Perhaps what I should have said was that I'd not seen photos of them with more than four trailers and a van. Do you happen to know what what the weight of a typical trailer is? Nick Serves me right for not looking at the tread previously I would say about 27-30 tons, the only one I can find a definite figure for is the Diagm. A26 74ft car which had an official weight of 32 tons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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