RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted December 21, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 21, 2019 Hi all, Ref to - mk.2E Open First (FO) 3221–3275 Farish do this coach (nearly) as 3265 in Scotrail Provisional livery. But I can find nothing to confirm that the coach was in Scotrail livery - unless I have missed it somehow! So, before I go and strip it to proved the basis for tuning it into a Caledonian Sleeper RFO, is the model correct? Thanks Phil H Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted December 21, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 21, 2019 (edited) 1988 Platform 5 book has 3247, 3248 and 3265 as ScotRail livery, PXXX (Provincial General) pool and allocated to EC (Craigentinny). Provincial livery has a different code letter, so I presume the entry to mean proper ScotRail livery. I think there were some coaches in Provincial with a ScotRail blue stripe, but these were non-a/c mk2 or 2a? Edited December 21, 2019 by keefer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted December 21, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 21, 2019 Hi Keefer, Thanks for the info - much appreciated. Looking at my notes I must never have seen this coach in service! Off to find another donor FO coach to go into Caledonian Sleeper livery. Phil H Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted December 21, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 21, 2019 While doing a search, came across jono26's workbench thread, in particular this post: https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/139325-scotrail-198788-workbench/&do=findComment&comment=3583239 Haven't found an image of the real coach yet, but plenty of pics of a previous Lima model! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 2 hours ago, keefer said: 1988 Platform 5 book has 3247, 3248 and 3265 as ScotRail livery, PXXX (Provincial General) pool and allocated to EC (Craigentinny). Plus 3245 as well. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted December 21, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 21, 2019 Just something I remembered when thinking about the ScotRail liveried coaches that were in the Provincial pools and how Regional/Provincial liveries never really appeared on the main line services. Post by Bob Reid in another thread: https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/429-scottish-region-photos-1980s/&do=findComment&comment=730458 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigP Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 (edited) -- Edited February 1, 2021 by bigP Deleted Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, bigP said: “But I can find nothing to confirm that the coach was in Scotrail livery - unless I have missed it somehow!” Careful, there may be errors in the allocations within the P5 books... True there are errors but the 1987 Platform 5 book lists all the ScotRail coaches correctly, as does the 1988 Ian Allan ABC. The 1986 Ian Allan ABC has 3265 at Craigentinny but no note for ScotRail. This is incorrect as I saw 3265 at Dundee on 9 July 1985 and noted which of the rake were in ScotRail livery. Edited December 22, 2019 by Flood Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westie7 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 I think this is the best place to put this. I'm trying to see if there is a reference for which blue grey MK2 coaches had varying branding. Inter-City Inter-City ScotRail ScotRail I have a few copies of photos I got from 80's rail before it disappeared, looking for some more options Thanks Mark 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wirey33 Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 I'd create a new post for that question. Not many will see it buried at the bottom of another query. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 All Mk2 air braked stock carried Inter-City from 1970 (I think) onwards. The date is in Harris but I'm at work. This includes the Mk2z stock converted to air brakes for the Edin - Glas push-pull and Mk2a air braked stock that was converted to vacuum brakes between 1976 and 1978. A very small number of Mk2z vacuum braked TSO coaches also got Inter-City in error. Inter-City Scotrail (small r) was carried for a very short time. As you have said 80s Rail had some examples, I can check Railway Observers from 1984/85 when I get home and they may have a few but don't hold your breath. The vast majority of Polmadie Mk2d and Mk2e stock solely carried Inter-City. ScotRail was carried by the Mk2 air-braked Provincial allocated stock for the Inverness services, including 6607 which later was used on push-pull services. The Craigentinny Mk2a and Mk2c stock for Cross-Country kept their Inter-City branding. ScotRail was also carried by Mk2z stock for the West Highland and Aberdeen - Inverness services, these were allocated to Polmadie and Inverness respectively. Once I get home tonight I'll see if I can find any more info. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westie7 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 15 hours ago, Flood said: All Mk2 air braked stock carried Inter-City from 1970 (I think) onwards. The date is in Harris but I'm at work. This includes the Mk2z stock converted to air brakes for the Edin - Glas push-pull and Mk2a air braked stock that was converted to vacuum brakes between 1976 and 1978. A very small number of Mk2z vacuum braked TSO coaches also got Inter-City in error. Inter-City Scotrail (small r) was carried for a very short time. As you have said 80s Rail had some examples, I can check Railway Observers from 1984/85 when I get home and they may have a few but don't hold your breath. The vast majority of Polmadie Mk2d and Mk2e stock solely carried Inter-City. ScotRail was carried by the Mk2 air-braked Provincial allocated stock for the Inverness services, including 6607 which later was used on push-pull services. The Craigentinny Mk2a and Mk2c stock for Cross-Country kept their Inter-City branding. ScotRail was also carried by Mk2z stock for the West Highland and Aberdeen - Inverness services, these were allocated to Polmadie and Inverness respectively. Once I get home tonight I'll see if I can find any more info. Cheers What I have so far is Mk2a BSOT 9100 Sc Mk2 TSO 5170 Sc Mk2a TSO 5273 IcSc Mk2a BFK 17083 IcSc Mk2c TSOT 6514 Sc It's all Mk2a Farish I have Wish I'd got hold of more photos of 80's when it was on the go Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted April 4, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 4, 2020 DBSO 9706 carried 'Inter-City Scotrail' before being involved in the Polmont crash - there's a pic on Robert Carroll's Flickr. The only other pic I remember seeing was a mk2e TSO at Carlisle - iirc it was PO allocated 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) June 1984 Railway Observer, stock noted late April Scotrail 4205, 4704/74, 4904/15/6, 5082/91, 5132/43/8/51/5/70/4/91/6, 5201/7/21/7, 9003/7/12, 9364, 9145 July 1984 R.O. (approx. late May 1984) Scotrail 1863 (one side), 7227, 18798, 18901 August 1984 R.O. (approx. late June 1984) Scotrail 4221/93, 4316, 4561, 4750/63, 4850, 4902, 5083/91/3/6/7, 5102/17/24/8/9, 5217, 9001/5/8/11, 9383/9, 9401/7/13/4, 14024, 19089, 19172, 35123 Inter-City Scotrail 9706/7, 11006 October 1984 R.O. (approx. late July 1984) Scotrail 18896, 25376, 35116 Inter-City Scotrail 5272, 11004, 12005/24/6/58 November 1984 R.O. (approx. late Aug 1984) Scotrail 18304, 18865, 1898, 24882, 35338, 35477 December 1984 R.O. (approx. late Sept 1984) Scotrail 5282, 5327, 9451, 18303 Inter-City Scotrail 3248/65/84, 5146/52/3/97, 5333/52, 5623/73, 5711/26/40/55/62/95/6, 5820/2/3/8/9/36/9/42/3/78/91, 6607, 9423/8/36/60, 9701/2/3/8/9, 11005/7/8/10/43, 12007/8/9/11-7/20/2/3/7/8/50, 13411 Full ScotRail livery 5176, 5653/71, 6601, 9705/10, 12009/15/9/25/9/51 February 1985 R.O. (approx. late Nov 1984) ScotRail/Scotrail? 4749/55/78, 18252 Inter-City Scotrail 5761, 5802/89/98 Full ScotRail livery 6605, 9701, 11005, 12004/17/20/2/3/4/30/1 April 1985 R.O. (approx. late Jan 1985) ScotRail/Scotrail? 4096, 4582, 4758, 4911, 5125/45/83, 5540, 6510, 9006, 13380, 17003, 19120, 21072, 35122 Full ScotRail livery 5740, 6613, 9704/9, 11005/6/10, 12005/7/27 June 1985 R.O. (approx. late March 1985) Scotrail (really? more likely the ScotRail style) 4472, 5271, 6514/8, 7221/38, 9000, 9273, 17021, 18296, 18381 ScotRail 3284, 5082/3/93/7/9, 5102/25/39/51, 5392, 9383, 9413/6/34, 17024 (many changed from Scotrail variant) Inter-City Scotrail 5271/3/9, 5831, 9444, 13558 Inter-City ScotRail 9428 Full ScotRail livery 5153, 9707/12, 12014 August 1985 R.O. (approx. late May 1985) Scotrail variant now stated as almost extinct ScotRail 5086/91, 5114/7/24/8/9/43/8, 5359, 9016, 9382, 9407/14/5, 18357/85, 18405, 35062, 35340 Inter-City Scotrail (stated as now mainly seen on Glas/Edin - Inverness/Aberdeen services) 5279, 5300, 5830/83, 7561, 9425/51/60 Full ScotRail livery 12026 plus 12019/51 repainted from dark stripe to light stripe This was the last mention of fleet names on blue and grey stock, subsequent observations are of full ScotRail repaints. Note that quite a few of the Inter-City Scotrail Mk2e stock were then being repainted into Executive livery. Edited April 4, 2020 by Flood 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted April 4, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 4, 2020 great stuff Flood, i'd no idea this had been covered by the RO - livery maybe, but not the branding. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted April 4, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) wasn't really able to post links before: mk 2f DBSO SC9706 at Edinburgh 13/04/84: https://flic.kr/p/bgLQK6 mk2e TSO SC5834 + another at Carlisle 26/09/84: https://flic.kr/p/cBqf6w (that's the pic I was thinking of but doesn't mention Polmadie - I must've read that somewhere else. Or was that where most of the mk2e were allocated?) Edited April 4, 2020 by keefer 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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