RMweb Gold mabel Posted December 23, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 23, 2019 I am looking for pictures of large NSE station frontages from around 1990 ish if anyone can help please? I have trawled the net and come up with very little (see below) I am specifically looking for details such as ugly 1980’s extensions (a bit like Basingstoke for example), window frame design, privacy blockers in ground floor windows etc etc. This is for a build I am about to start of the Vollmer kit of Baden-Baden Station. Slough Station shares a similar design so it should make Anglicising the kit fairly straight forward. Thanks in advance. Tony 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Davexoc Posted December 23, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 23, 2019 Don't know if there is anything useful here; https://www.nsers.org/ But from what I remember, there was no great renewal of things, just alot of red paint. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted December 23, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 23, 2019 55 minutes ago, Davexoc said: But from what I remember, there was no great renewal of things, just alot of red paint. Ahem! There was a hell of a lot of capital renewal, including £10m on East Croydon alone, Redhill, Oxted, Littlehampton, plus many smaller stations rebuilt from the ground up, using a design which became known as VSB90 (Vernacular Station Building, developed by biker railway architect John Fellowes) re-sized to suit each location. Then there was massive rebuilding of Victoria, including knocking down the dividing wall between the Chatham and Brighton parts, and building rafts over the platforms. And that is just the South-Central Sub-Sector, for which I was Planning & Investment Manager 1986-9. Other Sub-Sectors were just as active, I know, e.g. Liverpool St being turned from a dirty hole into something entirely modern. Not for nothing was Chris Green 'London Evening Standard Man of the Year 1987'. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold mabel Posted December 23, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 23, 2019 Hi Ian. How’s tricks? We really must catch up next time we are over there... Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted December 23, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, mabel said: Hi Ian. How’s tricks? We really must catch up next time we are over there... Tony Hi Tony! I am Christmassing in Torquay, and hoping - French strikers permitting! - to return home on 9th January. My residential status after 31.1.2020 remains uncertain! Yes, a meet would be very good thereafter. ATB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Davexoc Posted December 23, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 23, 2019 40 minutes ago, Oldddudders said: Ahem! There was a hell of a lot of capital renewal, including £10m on East Croydon alone, Redhill, Oxted, Littlehampton, plus many smaller stations rebuilt from the ground up, using a design which became known as VSB90 (Vernacular Station Building, developed by biker railway architect John Fellowes) re-sized to suit each location. Then there was massive rebuilding of Victoria, including knocking down the dividing wall between the Chatham and Brighton parts, and building rafts over the platforms. And that is just the South-Central Sub-Sector, for which I was Planning & Investment Manager 1986-9. Other Sub-Sectors were just as active, I know, e.g. Liverpool St being turned from a dirty hole into something entirely modern. Not for nothing was Chris Green 'London Evening Standard Man of the Year 1987'. Speaking from a Chiltern Line point of view, nothing much changed until the arrival of the 'Turbos' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravensdmufan Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 45 minutes ago, Oldddudders said: Ahem! There was a hell of a lot of capital renewal, including £10m on East Croydon alone, Redhill, Oxted, Littlehampton, plus many smaller stations rebuilt from the ground up, using a design which became known as VSB90 (Vernacular Station Building, developed by biker railway architect John Fellowes) re-sized to suit each location. Then there was massive rebuilding of Victoria, including knocking down the dividing wall between the Chatham and Brighton parts, and building rafts over the platforms. And that is just the South-Central Sub-Sector, for which I was Planning & Investment Manager 1986-9. Other Sub-Sectors were just as active, I know, e.g. Liverpool St being turned from a dirty hole into something entirely modern. Not for nothing was Chris Green 'London Evening Standard Man of the Year 1987'. Not to mention all the new trains introduced by NSE. A brilliant integrated organisation. People tend to forget all the good things done by BR in it's last 10 years. (Sorry to go slightly OT but had to say it!). 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold mabel Posted December 24, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 24, 2019 11 hours ago, Oldddudders said: Hi Tony! I am Christmassing in Torquay, and hoping - French strikers permitting! - to return home on 9th January. My residential status after 31.1.2020 remains uncertain! Yes, a meet would be very good thereafter. ATB Ian, after a 3 year survey of our neighbours (and Mayor), they are more worried that we will voluntarily leave...... taking our British £ with us. I’m sure once the political dust settles, everything will be just fine. I hope so anyway!! Tony 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted December 24, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 24, 2019 12 hours ago, Davexoc said: Speaking from a Chiltern Line point of view, nothing much changed until the arrival of the 'Turbos' Chiltern TRM it was called - Total Route Modernisation. Trains, stations, signalling, track. By combining the various elements in one strategy, the claimable revenue benefits were higher, according to the PDFH - Passenger Demand Forecasting Handbook. Thus Thames & Chiltern were able to convince the Board - and effectively the DTp on behalf of HM Treasury - that this was money wisely invested. I believe, based on my occasional trips on Chiltern, that it provided the bedrock of today's good service and facilities. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 Pre-NSE Marylebone was a very sleepy place in terms of London Termini. It hasn't looked back since TRM. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted December 24, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 24, 2019 20 minutes ago, BernardTPM said: Pre-NSE Marylebone was a very sleepy place in terms of London Termini. It hasn't looked back since TRM. It was a sort of Broad Street for the Chilterns! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 Vollmer Baden Baden station is a good starting point for modelling Norwich Thorpe (pic wikipedia) While I don't think it was part of the NSE network, the pic below (courtesy http://www.gensheet.co.uk/class309.htm) has red lamp posts etc going on, so if you could find a photo of the front of the station at that time it might be a good guide. (I was unable to on a quick google) HTH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisH-UK Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 Taking the example of Slough specifically, I went to college there in 1990-1993 and the outside looked very much similar, elements that are blue in the photo were red. The one part I cannot remember clearly is the horizontal bars between window sections which may have been red, been white with NSE lining or neutral black. The vertical blinds in the photo were present in 90/91/92, but those were the only windows for those offices. Behind the frontage it was full NSE makeover, modern white finishes for the foyer with red or rwb flashes, and the platforms had all the usual NSE touches as can be seen here https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2846987 That page also says that many of the station buildings are grade II listed which probably explains why the frontage didn't change much for NSE or after it. Deciding if your building would have been given listed status probably defines how much modification it would have had for NSE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted December 24, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 24, 2019 There was a Network SouthEast hand book published by Capital Transport, a soft cover A5 size book that had a bit about stations and coporate image etc. May be worth looking out for a copy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold mabel Posted December 24, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 24, 2019 Thanks for all the replies chaps. Plenty of info there. Thanks to ChrisH for the detail info. John, I tracked down a copy of the NSE handbook at Baterdale books for a bargain price of £2.95. Merry Christmas everyone. Santa will be here soon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian Morgan Posted December 24, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 24, 2019 Some photos I took of Frimley in 1988 are here. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted December 24, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 24, 2019 (edited) I thought for the most part, anything metal, anything that was a frame was painted red. And an oversized Network South East Station Sign hung above the entrance. then there was those red mesh benches, and cube shaped red TV screens that displayed either an analogue clock or the train times. Edited December 24, 2019 by adb968008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian Morgan Posted December 24, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 24, 2019 Bognor Regis, 1990 or 1991 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold mabel Posted December 24, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 24, 2019 These are just the kind of thing I’m after. Many thanks. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold mabel Posted December 24, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 24, 2019 Or this..... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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