RMweb Gold 46444 Posted March 26, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 26, 2020 (edited) The Kettering-Huntingdon Line has always been of modelling interest and I'm currently in the early stages of building a layout based on the line. More soon. At or near Raunds the boundary line changed from the Midland Region to the Eastern Region. With this the station buildings and infrastructure were painted in Eastern Region colours. I appreciate signage was dark blue but what colour would doors, windows, guttering and down pipes be? With regards to Raunds signal box it was a standard Midland Railway design. In some coloured photographs I have the structural timbers look green or even shades of blue. The louvered timbers are white or cream. I appreciate film colour changes over time. Does anyone have any information? Thanks in advance. Cheers, Mark Edited May 5, 2020 by 46444 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 46444 Posted May 5, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 5, 2020 I have retitled this topic to make it more generalised. Thanks, Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 (edited) From images taken in the 1960s it seems that a lot of the midland railway infastructure in the Airedale and Wharfdale lines in Yorkshire were repainted when the regional boundarys changed. This meant into Pale Blue and White for the North Eastern Region. Most of these seem to have hung around in these colours well into the 1970s and beyond. This includes after tge North Eastern and Eastern were merged together. Edited May 5, 2020 by Aire Head 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted May 5, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 5, 2020 Eastern Region (rather than North Eastern Region) from Nationalisation up to the BR Corporate Image period (late 60's) buildings were painted with doors, window frames, guttering etc. green, and areas of woodwork (e.g. panelling on wooden station buildings & signal boxes) cream. Largely this carried on from LNER practice (and some ex LNER buildings may have remained unpainted) but buildings were repainted by BR in the above colours, particularly where the ER took over stations which had not been LNER, such as the ex Midland line you mention. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 And the green paint faded over time to a matt pale blue. Stewart 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP Steve Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 I have a copy of the LNER Schedule of Colours 1937 which used to be found on line courtesy of the London North Eastern E-Group (unfortunately web address is now defunct): LARGE ROOFS, ROOFS OVER PLATFORMS, AWNINGS & VERANDAS All woodwork above underside of capitals of columns inside / outside - Light Stone BSS 61 or Deep Cream BSS 53 All steel and ironwork above capitals of columns to underside of roofs - Sea Green BSS 17 High Columns - Bases deep Brunswick Green BSS 27, stems Brilliant Green BSS 21 Low Columns 8 ft or less to capital - To underside of capital Light Brunswick Green BSS 25 CORNICES, FASCIAS, BARGE-BOARDS / MOULDS TO SAME Light Stone BSS 61 or deep cream BSS 53 DOORS, DOOR & WINDOW FRAMES (OUTSIDE) Deep Brunswick Green BSS 27 Styles & Rails - Deep Brunswick Green BSS 27 Panels - Light Brunswick Green BSS 25 WINDOW SASHES & FANLIGHTS Light Stone BSS 61 or Deep Cream BSS 53 TIMBER STATION BUILDINGS Body of woodwork - Light Stone BSS 61 or Deep Cream BSS 53 Dado Rail - Light Brunswick Green BSS 25 Frame & Baseboard - Deep Brunswick Green BSS 27 GUTTERS, SPOUTS, GAS & WATER PIPES Deep Brunswick Green BSS 27 or to suit background LAMP POSTS & BRACKETS Light Brunswick Green BSS 25 LAMPS Outside - Light Brunswick Green BSS 25 Inside - White CAST IRON URINALS Stalls - Tar Paint Remainder - Deep Brunswick Green BSS 27 COVERED WCs Stalls, Troughs etc - Tar Paint Dado - Deep Brunswick Green BSS 27 with 1 1/2" black line Upper Part - Varnished Mock Granite OPEN WCs Stalls, Troughs etc - Tar Paint Walls - Limewashed PLATFORM SEATS Deep Brunswick Green BSS 27 CLOCK FRAMES Light Brunswick Green BSS 25 or Black, heads & moulding gilded if required. INTERNAL PAINT SCHEME Window Sashes / Fanlights - Light Stone BSS 61 or Deep Cream BSS 53 Door & Window Frames - Deep Brunswick Green BSS 27 Styles, Rails & Skirtings - Deep Brunswick Green BSS 27 Walls & Screens - Dado about 1 ft high - Light Brunswick Green BSS 25 with 1 1/2" Black line border; Upper part to frieze (if any) - Deep Cream BSS 53; Frieze (if any) or above picture moulding - White Panels, Dado & Picture Rail - Light Brunswick Green BSS 25 Ceilings, Cornices & Friezes - White Fixed Waiting Room Seats - Dark Brunswick Green BSS 27 BOOKING HALLS Ceilings & Friezes - White Walls - Deep Cream BSS 53 or Eau-de-nil BSS 16 Plaster Dado - Dark Brown BSS 12 Woodwork - Oak Grained, overgrained and twice flat (antique) varnished 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP Steve Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 For Signal Boxes, the colour scheme was the same as that for station buildings except for: STAIRS - Deep Brunswick Green BSS 27 OTHER IRONWORK - Black NAME BOARDS - Ground - Black with white inner and black outer border with white letters BOX INTERIOR - To sill level - Dark Brown BSS 12 with 1 1/2" black border Above Sill - Light Stone BSS 61 Of course whether your chosen example followed the guides is another thing entirely. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 I'll just leave this here. https://www.stationcolours.com/ Jason 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted May 5, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 5, 2020 2 hours ago, SP Steve said: I have a copy of the LNER Schedule of Colours 1937 which used to be found on line courtesy of the London North Eastern E-Group (unfortunately web address is now defunct): LARGE ROOFS, ROOFS OVER PLATFORMS, AWNINGS & VERANDAS All woodwork above underside of capitals of columns inside / outside - Light Stone BSS 61 or Deep Cream BSS 53 All steel and ironwork above capitals of columns to underside of roofs - Sea Green BSS 17 High Columns - Bases deep Brunswick Green BSS 27, stems Brilliant Green BSS 21 Low Columns 8 ft or less to capital - To underside of capital Light Brunswick Green BSS 25 CORNICES, FASCIAS, BARGE-BOARDS / MOULDS TO SAME Light Stone BSS 61 or deep cream BSS 53 DOORS, DOOR & WINDOW FRAMES (OUTSIDE) Deep Brunswick Green BSS 27 Styles & Rails - Deep Brunswick Green BSS 27 Panels - Light Brunswick Green BSS 25 WINDOW SASHES & FANLIGHTS Light Stone BSS 61 or Deep Cream BSS 53 TIMBER STATION BUILDINGS Body of woodwork - Light Stone BSS 61 or Deep Cream BSS 53 Dado Rail - Light Brunswick Green BSS 25 Frame & Baseboard - Deep Brunswick Green BSS 27 GUTTERS, SPOUTS, GAS & WATER PIPES Deep Brunswick Green BSS 27 or to suit background LAMP POSTS & BRACKETS Light Brunswick Green BSS 25 LAMPS Outside - Light Brunswick Green BSS 25 Inside - White CAST IRON URINALS Stalls - Tar Paint Remainder - Deep Brunswick Green BSS 27 COVERED WCs Stalls, Troughs etc - Tar Paint Dado - Deep Brunswick Green BSS 27 with 1 1/2" black line Upper Part - Varnished Mock Granite OPEN WCs Stalls, Troughs etc - Tar Paint Walls - Limewashed PLATFORM SEATS Deep Brunswick Green BSS 27 CLOCK FRAMES Light Brunswick Green BSS 25 or Black, heads & moulding gilded if required. INTERNAL PAINT SCHEME Window Sashes / Fanlights - Light Stone BSS 61 or Deep Cream BSS 53 Door & Window Frames - Deep Brunswick Green BSS 27 Styles, Rails & Skirtings - Deep Brunswick Green BSS 27 Walls & Screens - Dado about 1 ft high - Light Brunswick Green BSS 25 with 1 1/2" Black line border; Upper part to frieze (if any) - Deep Cream BSS 53; Frieze (if any) or above picture moulding - White Panels, Dado & Picture Rail - Light Brunswick Green BSS 25 Ceilings, Cornices & Friezes - White Fixed Waiting Room Seats - Dark Brunswick Green BSS 27 BOOKING HALLS Ceilings & Friezes - White Walls - Deep Cream BSS 53 or Eau-de-nil BSS 16 Plaster Dado - Dark Brown BSS 12 Woodwork - Oak Grained, overgrained and twice flat (antique) varnished I've seen that before and it's very useful for the LNER period. However it refers to two shades of green, and if you look at Pickering station on the NYMR for example, that's how they've very nicely restored it. But I don't recall seeing two shades of green on BR (ER) buildings that I can remember seeing myself, or have seen pictures of, even given that the green that was used could fade to an almost blueish/grey shade. Which is one reason why I query the suggestion (that I've read elsewhere, including the web site linked above) that BR didn't repaint the buildings but left them in the state the LNER left them. Quite apart from the fact that they repainted buildings in the green and cream that were taken over from companies other than the LNER, and presumably there would have been a certain amount of new build and alterations that they would have had to paint. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted May 5, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 5, 2020 2 hours ago, SP Steve said: I have a copy of the LNER Schedule of Colours 1937 which used to be found on line courtesy of the London North Eastern E-Group (unfortunately web address is now defunct) If it was a Yahoo group, these ended a few months ago but many of them went over to groups.io 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Izzy Posted May 5, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Steamport Southport said: I'll just leave this here. https://www.stationcolours.com/ Jason Yes, answers all the questions doesn't it. Izzy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 46444 Posted May 6, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 6, 2020 Thanks for all your replies which are much appreciated. It has certainly helped to answer the question. With Raunds Station the signal box was a washed out paler green on the timbers whilst Grafham certainly had a blue tinge like a North Eastern Region signal box. The Station Colours website is certainly a useful site and the information from Steve is helpful. By the looks of things there is a certain degree of variation in the colours over a period of time. Thanks to you all again Cheers, Mark 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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