nathan70000 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Recently I picked up some relatively cheap Gresley coaches from the R2888M "Flying Scotsman" set, minus the A4 originally included. I've built up quite a collection of LNER locos and the coaches look very snazzy with my various A1s, A3s, A4s as well as the P2 and the W1. But... "The Flying Scotsman" was of course a non-stop train, which should necessitate the use of a corridor tender. Aside from 10000, none of my LNER era locomotives possess one. Herein lies the quandary; is it correct to have a non-corridor tender fitted locomotive at the head of the Flying Scotsman? It would have meant a stop, but was there enough flexibility in the timetable for allow for this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted January 13, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 13, 2022 From 1924 - 30 April 1928, the train wasn’t a non stop express, so technically yes you could use a Non Corridor Tender. The first non stop trip was 1 May 1928, hauled by 4472 herself with Corridor Tender. 10 Corridor Tenders were constructed specifically for use on this service so after this date, only Locos with a Corridor Tender are suitable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 2 hours ago, Hilux5972 said: From 1924 - 30 April 1928, the train wasn’t a non stop express, so technically yes you could use a Non Corridor Tender. The first non stop trip was 1 May 1928, hauled by 4472 herself with Corridor Tender. 10 Corridor Tenders were constructed specifically for use on this service so after this date, only Locos with a Corridor Tender are suitable. It would of course have to be the GN coal rail type. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexagon789 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 9 hours ago, nathan70000 said: Recently I picked up some relatively cheap Gresley coaches from the R2888M "Flying Scotsman" set, minus the A4 originally included. I've built up quite a collection of LNER locos and the coaches look very snazzy with my various A1s, A3s, A4s as well as the P2 and the W1. But... "The Flying Scotsman" was of course a non-stop train, which should necessitate the use of a corridor tender. Aside from 10000, none of my LNER era locomotives possess one. Herein lies the quandary; is it correct to have a non-corridor tender fitted locomotive at the head of the Flying Scotsman? It would have meant a stop, but was there enough flexibility in the timetable for allow for this? Worth pointing out that the train after the 1928 launch of non-stop running was only actually non-stop for 10 weeks of the year, during high summer, outwith this period the train made intermediate calls. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathan70000 Posted January 13, 2022 Author Share Posted January 13, 2022 6 hours ago, hexagon789 said: Worth pointing out that the train after the 1928 launch of non-stop running was only actually non-stop for 10 weeks of the year, during high summer, outwith this period the train made intermediate calls. Excellent info, I thought I was an expert on the LNER and I didn't know this! So presumably outside of those 10 weeks any Pacific could have been used. Curiously the only super detail A1 Hornby have done in LNER Green with a corridor tender is 4476 Royal Lancer. I did predict that they'd do Flying Scotsman in 1928 condition as one of their 2022 releases but they haven't announced any more A1s or A3s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken.W Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 As posted above, there were 10 corridor tenders built for the introduction of non-stop services in 1928, plus more when the A4s started to appear in '35, this to cover just one working each way per day, so highly unlikely for a non-corridor tender loco to need to be allocated to these services. Of course, it's always possible that one could have been substituted on occasion to replace a failure en-route, and as also noted above it only ran non-stop during the summer season. Also worth noting that when the 1936/7 second batch of A4s were built all the 1928 corridor tenders were transfered to these. No A1/A3 subsequently ran with a corridor tender in service. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slilley Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Hi Nathan I have sent you a message with info on all the A1/A3s that had corridor tenders for working the non-stop. Best wishes Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 For the curious I can recommend googling " a tangle of tenders". 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathan70000 Posted January 17, 2022 Author Share Posted January 17, 2022 Thank you for all the fantastic information that has been posted! What rules governed the carrying of the headboard? Photos during the LNER era often show the train without the "Flying Scotsman" headboard carried on the locomotive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slilley Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 The use of the headboard does seem to have been a bit hit and miss at times. The first northbound non stop didnt have a board, but the southbound working did. As I understand it that was something Haymarket had made. Yeadon did a book on LNER headboards which has a huge section on The Flying Scotsman train and its headborads through the years. very informative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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