40034_Nick Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 (edited) Hi All, were there ever any depots with a rock face on the side of them? Would it work if not? Or a retaining wall and abit of rockface either side of the wall to fill in parts to get to a road bridge for example? Thanks in advance.. Nick Edited August 31, 2022 by 40034_Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hal Nail Posted August 30, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 30, 2022 (edited) 33 minutes ago, 40034_Nick said: Hi All, were there ever and depots with a rock face on the side of them? https://www.railscot.co.uk/img/29/398/ there are much better photos around but either t'nternet or my phone is refusing to work. https://thetransportlibrary.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=95358 Edited August 30, 2022 by Hal Nail Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastglosmog Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 (edited) There are rock faces behind Boston Lodge Works on the Ffestiniog. Then there is Ventnor, built in an old quarry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ventnor_railway_station Edited August 30, 2022 by eastglosmog Add link Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviesparx Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 (edited) Pretty sure Brighton is a bit like this...part cliff face and part brick. https://www.jamiesquibbs.co.uk/LinebyLine/SouthEastEngland/Brighton-Main-line/i-Fvgs3VK/A Edited August 30, 2022 by steviesparx Did attach images... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CameronL Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Hi. I think there are plenty of cases of railway facilities being bordered by rock faces. Check out Mallaig of this parish for an example of how a railway was cut through rock. When the builders were creating the space for a railway they would use the natural rock if it was stable and robust enough. Eastglosmog's example above is perfect. Retaining walls were employed when the substrate wasn't sufficiently robust to hold up on its own. (Think of the tunnels / cuttings on the way into Liverpool Lime Street - mostly rock but with the occasional brick reinforcing. If your plan looks like it's been cut through the scenery and is there for a purpose, go with it. What do you have in mind? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Might Bristol Bath Road might meet the criteria? There is a retaining wall across part of the rear of the depot, and the A4 Bath Road Bridge spans the main lines to the west, cheers 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted August 30, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 30, 2022 Brunswick CLC depot, Liverpool: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Brunswick_Locomotive_Depot,_with_ex-Great_Central_4-4-0_-_geograph.org.uk_-_2320895.jpg https://thetransportlibrary.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=66672 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 3 hours ago, steviesparx said: Pretty sure Brighton is a bit like this...part cliff face and part brick. I’m fairly sure that the rail-level space at Brighton was progressively enlarged by digging away at the chalk until it started to fall down and had to be reinforced before the houses on top descended. St Leonard’s is not far away, and that was cut into the hillside too. Machynlleth is a nice example in hard rock. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold phil_sutters Posted August 30, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 30, 2022 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Nearholmer said: I’m fairly sure that the rail-level space at Brighton was progressively enlarged by digging away at the chalk until it started to fall down and had to be reinforced before the houses on top descended. St Leonard’s is not far away, and that was cut into the hillside too. Machynlleth is a nice example in hard rock. Open the link to see that Lewes has retaining walls on both sides of the west end. If you are not confident about your brick wall building skills, you could resort to this fine mesh covered surface! https://www.rmweb.co.uk/gallery/image/92241-brighton-station-buffers-beside-hove-line-27-5-2022jpg/ Edited August 30, 2022 by phil_sutters Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 When Ilfracombe station was enlarged the steam shed was moved to the south and rock was excavated out of the hillside to make room for it. The turntable is located in a semi-circular gap in the hillside, cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium TheQ Posted August 31, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) there were many stations cut into hillsides.. From Alexandra palace station in London to Stromferry on the Kyle line. Ventnor on the Isle of Wight is a good example Rock face / wall to get to a road bridge .. Stromferry is your example.. picture taken from the bridge, you can see the ramps / stone walls of both sides. looking the other way. Edited August 31, 2022 by TheQ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastglosmog Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 There is also Winchester Cheshil on the Didcot, Newbury and Southampton, with a brick retaining wall supporting the base of a chalk cutting: (Tunnel Mouth at Winchester Chesil station, photo by Lamberhurst, 1959, reproduced under Wikimedia Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International license.) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) Wasn’t the question about loco depots? If it’s about stations in cuttings with tunnels at each end, which I’m pretty sure it isn’t, I propose: everywhere on the Circle Line. Edited August 31, 2022 by Nearholmer 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold phil_sutters Posted August 31, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Rivercider said: When Ilfracombe station was enlarged the steam shed was moved to the south and rock was excavated out of the hillside to make room for it. The turntable is located in a semi-circular gap in the hillside, cheers This doesn't show the retaining wall, but it does illustrate the height. Edited August 31, 2022 by phil_sutters 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold phil_sutters Posted August 31, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 31, 2022 10 hours ago, Rivercider said: Might Bristol Bath Road might meet the criteria? There is a retaining wall across part of the rear of the depot, and the A4 Bath Road Bridge spans the main lines to the west, cheers Rather distant views of the retaining wall. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
40034_Nick Posted August 31, 2022 Author Share Posted August 31, 2022 10 hours ago, CameronL said: If your plan looks like it's been cut through the scenery and is there for a purpose, go with it. What do you have in mind? It will be a Scottish depot with Flats on the top of the retaining wall and i think rock at the sides will work.. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
40034_Nick Posted August 31, 2022 Author Share Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) 18 hours ago, 40034_Nick said: Delete Edited August 31, 2022 by 40034_Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted August 31, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 31, 2022 Surprised nobody’s mentioned Machynlleth yet; very photogenic with a cliff directly behind the loco depot. I think Fishguard may have qualified in this respect as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 1 hour ago, The Johnster said: Surprised nobody’s mentioned Machynlleth yet; Surprised you didn’t notice I’d already mentioned Machynlleth 😉 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted August 31, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 31, 2022 Oops! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hal Nail Posted August 31, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 31, 2022 3 hours ago, Nearholmer said: Surprised you didn’t notice I’d already mentioned Machynlleth 😉 and i had before that in the first reply :) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Best avoid Machynlleth; it seems to be a bit of a cliche. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastglosmog Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 On 31/08/2022 at 07:51, Nearholmer said: Wasn’t the question about loco depots? ............. It was about depots unspecified, which (in American usage, at least) includes what we call railway stations 🙂. Anyway, it was about time for a bit of thread drift in true RMWeb fashion. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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