DBAG Livery questions

[elmtree-line]

I'm looking at purchasing a rake of DBAG IC Carriages and I notice that these are available from ROCO and also PIKO

 

https://www.gaugemasterretail.com/piko-58543-expert-dbag-1st-class-ic-eurofima-coach-vi.html

 

https://www.gaugemasterretail.com/roco-6200020-dbag-ic2310-coach-set-vi.html

 

Am I correct that EUROFIMA and IC2310 are different types of services, and the carriages EUROFIMA and IC2310 would not be seen in the same train ?

 

 

 

[Taigatrommel]

Here's a sample of IC2310's formation as it was in 2021:  https://www.vagonweb.cz/razeni/vlak.php?zeme=DB&kategorie=IC&cislo=2310&nazev=Nordfriesland&rok=2021&lang=en

 

 

The Piko 58543 duplicates the Avmmz (1st class) that's already in that train pack.  Eurofima is a financing company rather than a type of service, that general type of coach is in those sets is a design funded by them suitable for operation in lots of countries - see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofima_coach  and https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofima-Wagen#DB-Varianten
 

I would personally stick with one brand or the other for uniformity, the Roco model is an older tooling but pretty nice, I haven't seen the Piko ones properly to know how good they are.  I'd have no reason to think they're not decent though.

 

Edited January 21 by Taigatrommel

[Stefan88]

If buying new go for ACME, vastly more detailed than the old Roco and much simpler Piko offerings, the Roco and Piko RRPs are absurd for what they are and you may as well spend the extra few quid on the ACME offerings.

 

Second hand I wouldn't spend more than £30 per coach, £25 is about right, that's what I've paid for Roco offerings before and sold some at.

 

The Piko coaches tend to have a pathetically simple interior for what are relatively newly tooled models. The Roco coaches are very similar (arguably slightly better interiors in some cases) but considerably older.

 

Re. coach types I'd suggest some mixing and matching depending on the service you're trying to replicate, I think it is only in the more recent years that older types have been withdrawn/cascaded to regional operations leaving more homogenous train formations of newer stock (i.e. only newer types with plugging doors), it used to be quite common to have mixes of type-Z coaches with plugging doors and type-X coaches with folding doors and externally visible steps. And if you want to go back to the late 1990s/early 2000s then you can put different liveries in to the mix.

[TTDB]

I’ve got a rake of new PIKO and they are pretty reasonable but i also do have an ACME bar car looks of in the rake , I’ve added a

couple of photos so you can see my phone camera isn’t brilliant but  the shades of white are a little different top is the ACME WRkmz and bottom is PIKO Bvmmsz incidentally contikits have some of the ACME in stock pretty rare now 

Edited January 22 by TTDB

[TTDB]

Jumping on this thread , whein I last modelled HO DB  (note no AG) in the early 90s just after reunification the IC colour scheme was white with red w window surrounds and a pink and just belowa N wagons were the same style with mint  Green and S-Bahn light and dark orange etc etc , so after a few years of girls, marriage and  kids I return to modelling  now DB-AG and some private railways , besides the white and red IC livery we have here and the Regio red I do have a rake of red window surrounds with matching steuerwagon IC cab car similar to Autozug and Nachtzug livery but they don’t have this branding , any ideas of era and area and operations used on please the cab car (Roco 452620) make nacht and autozug out the equation ?

[Stefan88]

This was the Intercity livery used shortly after DB and DR were merged to form DB AG until the ICE white and red pinstripe livery was also adopted for regular Intercity in the 2000s. This livery was then retained on some DB AG owned CityNightLine and Autozug stock.