houseman Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 hi all i remember seeing some photos on rmweb of tractors on lowfit wagons can anybody please point me in the right direction many thanks in advance houseman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37114 Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 hi all i remember seeing some photos on rmweb of tractors on lowfit wagons can anybody please point me in the right direction many thanks in advance houseman Cant find any with tractors, but there are some pics here with (quality 4 wheel drive) vehicles: http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c20081.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted November 22, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 22, 2009 hi all i remember seeing some photos on rmweb of tractors on lowfit wagons can anybody please point me in the right direction many thanks in advance houseman Hi Houseman, Don't remember the link on RMWeb - but do remember the real thing! David Brown tractors were loaded onto a variety of wagons at the site of the old L&Y Meltham Station. From memory most of the wagons in use were bogie flats, but when an export order was going out almoszt anything that could carry the load was used. I can remember looking over onto the platform end at Meltham and seeing shorter wagons than the bogie flats in use. I can also remember that there were some photos out on the web showing this, but don't have a link to them. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stuartp Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 There was this thread on the old forum but no pics - http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=25387&p=390396&hilit=tractor+lowfit#p390396. No idea if this is authentic or not, but this was NYMR's interpretation earlier this year. I suspect it should be roped as well as chocked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edinburgh Junction Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 When you said 'Tractors', I thought you meant the Class 37.... lol! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigwelsh Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 When you said 'Tractors', I thought you meant the Class 37.... lol! Getting one of those on a lowfit would be very impressive indeed ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stuartp Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 Getting one of those on a lowfit would be very impressive indeed ! Oh I dunno, if you cut it into small enough lumps... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian G Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 Here is one at the Bucks railway center http://www.brc-stockbook.co.uk/conflat3.htm Ian G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 hi all i remember seeing some photos on rmweb of tractors on lowfit wagons can anybody please point me in the right direction many thanks in advance houseman The colour data sheet from BR Railfreight for these wagons featured tractors, and also a blue 'invalid tricycle' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
houseman Posted November 23, 2009 Author Share Posted November 23, 2009 The colour data sheet from BR Railfreight for these wagons featured tractors, and also a blue 'invalid tricycle' hi there thanks for this any idea where i might find the data sheet? regards houseman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 hi there thanks for this any idea where i might find the data sheet? regards houseman Mine came from a drawer in the Control office at Newcastle Central 20+ years ago- it's one of the early sort, where some of the colour photos look like they've been hand-coloured on a black and white original. I find these sheets fascinating- especially working out where they were taken. Lots are fairly obvious, but there are odd things like re-bar being unloaded at the railhead for Wylfa power station. There are also lots of interesting bits of BR cartage and loading equipment in the background of many of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGN Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 I saw an interesting photograph once (but, alas, can no longer remember where to find it) of tractors being loaded onto 3-plank wagons at the Massey Ferguson factory in the 1950s (red tractors ... grey wagons .. lovely!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DVLR Dave Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Not a good photo-but here are some David Brown tractors omn Lowfits- http://www.lostrailwayswestyorkshire.co.uk/images/Newspaper/Browns%20Examiner%2020-12-08.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigwelsh Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Here is one at the Bucks railway center http://www.brc-stockbook.co.uk/conflat3.htm Ian G Interesting that they have put a tractor on a conflat, I would have thought these wagons were mainly too busy with container traffic? Would it have been common to put machinery on one? The red painted buffers also seem unusual. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stuartp Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Interesting that they have put a tractor on a conflat, I would have thought these wagons were mainly too busy with container traffic? Would it have been common to put machinery on one? The red painted buffers also seem unusual. I've certainly not seen a photo of a Conflat carrying anything other than containers (although I've seen plenty of photos the other way round - i.e. containers on any wagon but a Conflat, including some branded "NOT TO BE LOADED WITH CONTAINERS") so I suspect this might be a case of having a preserved tractor and a preserved Conflat handy. There are some notes on (I think) the instructions which come with Red Panda chassis concerning the correct colours for Oleo buffer shanks in ex-factory condition. I'm fairly sure light grey and brick red are correct, depending on type, but I don't remember anything about scarlet. I'll check. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted November 23, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 23, 2009 Interesting that they have put a tractor on a conflat, I would have thought these wagons were mainly too busy with container traffic? Would it have been common to put machinery on one? The red painted buffers also seem unusual. I'm not sure about earlier BR years but in the mid/late '60s both Conflats and Lowfits were 'special orders' (on the Rolling Stock Return) for many goods depots (unless they happened to regularly 'make' lots of empties(. If you wanted a (goods) vehicle to load a road vehicle either a Loads Inpsector would order it (for anything a bit awkward or 'special') or you said what you wanted it for and usually you got a Lowfit for any vehicle that would fit on one (occasionally there might be a larger wagon but only if a Lowfit wasn't available. Conflats were never - to my knowledge - supplied against an order for loading road vehicles, but I was not everywhere on BR at once Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 I'm not sure about earlier BR years but in the mid/late '60s both Conflats and Lowfits were 'special orders' (on the Rolling Stock Return) for many goods depots (unless they happened to regularly 'make' lots of empties(. If you wanted a (goods) vehicle to load a road vehicle either a Loads Inpsector would order it (for anything a bit awkward or 'special') or you said what you wanted it for and usually you got a Lowfit for any vehicle that would fit on one (occasionally there might be a larger wagon but only if a Lowfit wasn't available. Conflats were never - to my knowledge - supplied against an order for loading road vehicles, but I was not everywhere on BR at once In later BR days, containers were often loaded in 'High'opens- either because it made them more difficult to open in transit, or because it saved chaining down. I found this shot of not one, but two, Conflats loaded with compressors on Andy Kirkham's site:- http://andy-kirkham.fotopic.net/p56317988.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 I've certainly not seen a photo of a Conflat carrying anything other than containers ... The shot that Brian has linked was shown on the old forum, a lovely sequence showing a 45/1 on the Roskear branch in Cornwall. Definitely unusual though, and they're only chocked, not roped. As to preserved examples, I'd very much caution against taking them as being indicative of normal BR practice. With no disrespect intended to preservationists, modelling a preserved wagon is often as fraught with pitfalls as modelling another model Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stuartp Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 "The Sheffield & Huddersfield Junction Railway" by Martin Bairstow has a photo of Meltham station in 1954 after David Browns had taken it over as a loading point. There are brand new tractors as far as the eye can see, but more relevant to this discussion, the empties provided to cart this lot away are all 3 plank opens, not Lowfits. I can't see whether they're fitted or not. Oleo buffers variations according to Red Panda: 1. Light Aircraft Grey all over. 2. Widest part body colour or black, narrower part Light Aircraft Grey. 3. Widest part body colour or black, narrower part red lead. Conflats loaded with compressors on Andy Kirkham's site:- Never say never, clearly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 "The Sheffield & Huddersfield Junction Railway" by Martin Bairstow has a photo of Meltham station in 1954 after David Browns had taken it over as a loading point. There are brand new tractors as far as the eye can see, but more relevant to this discussion, the empties provided to cart this lot away are all 3 plank opens, not Lowfits Putting my anal(ytical) hat on, I'd postulate that that's because 1954 was before the BR builds of Lowfit had reached full production and also before Meds/Medfits had fully devolved into use by the engineers. I've seen the odd shot of empty Lows and Mediums mixed in one train, and it does seem that Mediums were used as a handy substitute for the wagons either side of them in size (Lows or High Goods), but that ultimately there was little that they could do that the bigger and smaller wagons couldnt do just as well (except carry ballast and spoil) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 this thread took a bit of digging out, but Phil's link elsewhere on forum led me to this shot: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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