Bachmann Midland Pullman

[Ruffnut Thorston]

Certainly did  got an email a couple of days ago but decided to sit hear and read through all 50 pages before I decided to go ahead and order one. Current layout is BR Southern with a WCML  planned as well providing the "BOSS" allows it!

Cant really justify it but  as its such a Beautifull model I just couldn't resist!

I've had a pair of  Tri-ang power cars (£10 for the pair working a bit scruffy with some bad weathering on the roofs at Warley early 90's) x1 flush glazed parlour car (think that cost £10 not bad nick), x1 reversed grey/blue parlour car (perhaps a little scruffy but for £8 I wasn't fussed with inset glazing) when/why did they change that? x1 Kitmaster parlour ( not good build and unpainted few bits missing but only cost £1)  and 2 kitchen cars which I got from Southampton model shop late 90's for £3  each badly built and painted and now in several bits as the glues got old) haven't seen the light of day for many years.

Maybe they should be revived detailed and repainted so I can run in multiple with the new Bachmann model though I doubt I would be able to make them look any where near as good .

Should be fun trying though! 

 

The flush glazing strips were OK when the window area was the only bit painted white...

 

The Grey and Blue Livery has the grey strip continuing over the doors. It was when the Grey and Blue Livery was modelled, that the tooling was changed.

 

The flush glazing window strip was done away with, and the glazing added behind the body...in standard Tri-ang Hornby Style.

[Karhedron]

You don't necessarily need MU hoses and a cut away coupler fairing to model the blue/grey livery as these only appeared later. I don't know if all the ex Midland units were repainted into blue/grey with the fairing still intact and no MU hoses but at least one was - there is a photograph in Kevin Robertson's Blue Pullman book.

 

As I understand it these modifications were only made to the Midland Pullman sets to enable 2 units to be coupled together once they were transferred to the Western region.

I do not think that is correct. I am pretty sure the MU cables were fitted fairly soon after the 6-car sets arrived on the WR. Painting into reverse blue/grey only happened later.

 

There is a pic here of one of the 6-car sets with MU cables fitted still in nanking blue. Both sets were fitted with MU cables at the same time IICR. I am pretty sure the MU cables came first. Any photos of sets in blue/grey without jumper cables are probably the WR 8-car sets.

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/glevumblues/5556233791/

[TRAILRAGE]

Thanks never new that or even spotted it  you really do learn something new everyday

[Michael Delamar]

My blue ended one is on ebay at the moment, the reason the price is high is that I dont actually want to sell it.

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bachmann-blue-front-midland-pullman-31-255dc-/201002905236?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item2eccb4ee94

[Colin_McLeod]

So why is it on E bay then?  Just for the pleasure of paying the listing fees? LOL

[Keith J]

I do not think that is correct. I am pretty sure the MU cables were fitted fairly soon after the 6-car sets arrived on the WR. Painting into reverse blue/grey only happened later.

 

There is a pic here of one of the 6-car sets with MU cables fitted still in nanking blue. Both sets were fitted with MU cables at the same time IICR. I am pretty sure the MU cables came first. Any photos of sets in blue/grey without jumper cables are probably the WR 8-car sets.

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/glevumblues/5556233791/

 

I must admit I also thought that was the case until I saw the picture I referred to in my post above. Could it be a WR power car on an ex LMR set as I believe there was a bit of swapping of power cars towards the end of their life in order to maintain a working service?

[Coppercap]

I must admit I also thought that was the case until I saw the picture I referred to in my post above. Could it be a WR power car on an ex LMR set as I believe there was a bit of swapping of power cars towards the end of their life in order to maintain a working service?

Can't be a WR power car (that is, one from an 8-car set), as they never ever had jumper cables fitted. 

[Keith J]

Can't be a WR power car (that is, one from an 8-car set), as they never ever had jumper cables fitted. 

Exactly. The picture I am referring to is of a Blue / Grey set without jumper cables however the caption states that it is an ex Midland set. If what Karhedron says above is correct i.e. that all the ex Midland sets had the jumper cables fitted before they were repainted then the set must be either be a WR set or an ex Midland set with a WR power car.

[Chris Higgs]

Exactly. The picture I am referring to is of a Blue / Grey set without jumper cables however the caption states that it is an ex Midland set. If what Karhedron says above is correct i.e. that all the ex Midland sets had the jumper cables fitted before they were repainted then the set must be either be a WR set or an ex Midland set with a WR power car.

 

If you are referring to the picture on page 130, that's clearly a WR power car (three passenger windows all the same size). The caption doesn't exactly say that is a LMR set either, only sort of implies it.

 

Chris

[Stevelewis]

Can  any one  advise   what  is  the  closest colour  commercially  available in  a model paint  range  (Humbrol) etc  to Nanking  Blue!!!!!

 

I feel myself  being  talked  into a project,

 

I am not usually  too fussy  about  colour  matching as  a rule  as most  of my painting these  days  is  concerned  with 0n30, where  colur  match is not  that  important!!!

[John Isherwood]

Can  any one  advise   what  is  the  closest colour  commercially  available in  a model paint  range  (Humbrol) etc  to Nanking  Blue!!!!!

 

I feel myself  being  talked  into a project,

 

I am not usually  too fussy  about  colour  matching as  a rule  as most  of my painting these  days  is  concerned  with 0n30, where  colur  match is not  that  important!!!

 

Phoenix Precision Nanking Blue, surprisingly enough!

 

http://www.phoenix-paints.co.uk/p102-b-r-steam-locomotive-light-blue-1949-2036.html

 

Regards,

John Isherwood.

[Stevelewis]

Phoenix Precision Nanking Blue, surprisingly enough!

 

http://www.phoenix-paints.co.uk/p102-b-r-steam-locomotive-light-blue-1949-2036.html

 

Regards,

John Isherwood.

Thanks  John,  I think  its  the  old  age  !!!!!

[gwrrob]

Thanks  John,  I think  its  the  old  age  !!!!!

 

Railmatch also do the colour with number 316  http://www.gaugemaster.com/search_results.asp?ob=c_a&searchstring=railmatch+paints&andor=view&searchtitle=railmatch+paints&style=main&method=kws&strtype=arch&currentpage=5

[devonseasider]

Phoenix Precision Nanking Blue, surprisingly enough!

 

http://www.phoenix-paints.co.uk/p102-b-r-steam-locomotive-light-blue-1949-2036.html

 

Regards,

John Isherwood.

 

 

Railmatch also do the colour with number 316  http://www.gaugemaster.com/search_results.asp?ob=c_a&searchstring=railmatch+paints&andor=view&searchtitle=railmatch+paints&style=main&method=kws&strtype=arch&currentpage=5

 

 

What about the scrolls/crests on the nose ends?  Are they available from anyone?

[Coach bogie]

What about the scrolls/crests on the nose ends?  Are they available from anyone?

 

HMRS Sheet 31

 

http://www.hmrs.org.uk/transfers/transferdetails.php?transferid=1030

 

 

Mike Wiltshire

[devonseasider]

HMRS Sheet 31

 

 

Thanks Mike.

[John Isherwood]

What about the scrolls/crests on the nose ends?  Are they available from anyone?

 

Please sir - me sir !!!!!

 

Sheet BL62 or BL63 @ http://www.cctrans.freeserve.co.uk/products.htm .

 

Regards,

John Isherwood,

Cambridge Custom Transfers.

[devonseasider]

Please sir - me sir !!!!!

 

 

.  .  .  .  and thanks John.

[jonathan452]

FYI - Still FOUR 'non custard' i.e. blue ended sets at the Covent Garden Museum shop as of this evening.

 

For those who are no better with the paint brush than myself.

[Holmesfeldian]

FYI - Still FOUR 'non custard' i.e. blue ended sets at the Covent Garden Museum shop as of this evening.

 

For those who are no better with the paint brush than myself.

£350 post free - decided to buy one over the phone despite not being a "bargain" unlike the raft of custards still available so 3 left at the most.

[Colin_McLeod]

Is there an echo in here?? 

[Michael Delamar]

Power car at Swindon works 1970.

 

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/95062750@N04/11763964553/

[Holmesfeldian]

It was just as well they didn't charge carriage - RMSD cost them £36.28!!!

[Jamiel]

The wonderful EMgauge70's website has an update on the Pullman, now with jumpers. Very inspirational stuff, Pullmans or otherwise.

"GREG BROOKES (SHENSTON ROAD)
A six-car Pullman set waits in the loop whilst on acceptance trials in the area. Supplied, resprayed and detailed by Lord & Butler of Cardiff, and converted to EM gauge by Paul James using the existing Bachmann wheels."
http://www.emgauge70s.co.uk/modelpageindex.html

 

 

[blueeighties]

Hi all. I have a couple of these Pullman sets to paint in 'reversed' blue/grey livery. Now, looking at the picture of the very nice unit above, I am presuming the blue band is standard BR blue? Does anybody know what shade of grey is used, preferably from the Phoenix Precision range. I have done a search of the thread but can't find anything.