Nimbus Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 I wonder if Bachmann could be persuaded to tack some extra power car bodies onto this next production run, so that those unsold, or reluctantly purchased yellow-nosed jobs could be 'legally' back-dated to the correct livery? The Nim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted March 15, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 15, 2015 And maybe also some parlour cars so that eight car sets could be made up. I am aware this would not be accurate but it would suit a lot of modellers who could either overlook the differences or modify their model accordingly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Francis deWeck Posted March 16, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 16, 2015 And maybe also some parlour cars so that eight car sets could be made up. I am aware this would not be accurate but it would suit a lot of modellers who could either overlook the differences or modify their model accordingly. That's an interesting thought, though I wonder if the electrical config would support that; 8 car formations are just fine on my layout, e.g. Sheffield Pullman. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted March 16, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 16, 2015 And maybe also some parlour cars so that eight car sets could be made up. I am aware this would not be accurate but it would suit a lot of modellers who could either overlook the differences or modify their model accordingly. I don't believe that there is a chance of that happening at all. The market for something that would not make up an authentic train would be very small - too many 'modellers' are not even prepared to change the number on a model, let alone modify one significantly. Sorry, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 And maybe also some parlour cars so that eight car sets could be made up. I am aware this would not be accurate but it would suit a lot of modellers who could either overlook the differences or modify their model accordingly.It is what I have ended up doing in N gauge. I knew someone who only had room for a 4-car set so I made him an offer for the 2 parlour cars. This gives me an 8-car set and while it is not quite right for a WR Pullman, it is close enough to keep me happy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Silver Sidelines Posted March 16, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 16, 2015 Hi Francis So which different running numbers? Hmmm, ..... The set models are going to be configured exactly the same as those in the original issue, but with different running numbers. .t! There were only two Midland Pullman sets and the last Bachmann incarnation modeled both sets, the plain front with one set of numbers and the custard dip with the other set of numbers. Regards Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Francis deWeck Posted March 16, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 16, 2015 Hi Francis So which different running numbers? There were only two Midland Pullman sets and the last Bachmann incarnation modeled both sets, the plain front with one set of numbers and the custard dip with the other set of numbers. Regards Ray Hi Ray, The Blue Midland, i.e. without the 'custard dip' (which I don't have') has the following running numbers :- Car A M60090 Car B M60730 Car C M60740 Car D M60741 Car E M60731 Car F M60091 Running numbers printed on the lower part (valance) of the units concerned. This leaves Motor Brake Firsts M60092, M60093 Motor Kitchen Firsts M60732, M60733 Trailer Parlour Firsts M0742, M60743 Hence the Second Blue (Midland) Pullman set. Regards, Hugh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Silver Sidelines Posted March 16, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 16, 2015 Hi Hugh Thirty all? So are you saying that the 'new' model will be the 'Custard Dip' second Midland Pullman already produced by Bachmann but reinvented in its original livery? A taster here perhaps? Regards Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Francis deWeck Posted March 16, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 16, 2015 Hi Hugh Thirty all? So are you saying that the 'new' model will be the 'Custard Dip' second Midland Pullman already produced by Bachmann but reinvented in its original livery? A taster here perhaps? Regards Ray Nyet!Nyet! A second set of Blue Pullmans with the running numbers as per the list underneath those listed with the car id. Custard dip is not on the table here, unless that model does have the second set running numbers. As I have said I haven't got the 'custard dip', so I don't know what they produced in that respect. I suspect, however, that the custard dip running numbers are those of my list, M60092 etc, perhaps you know! Call the umpire, call the linesman, ball may be going out of court! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted March 16, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 16, 2015 I don't believe that there is a chance of that happening at all. The market for something that would not make up an authentic train would be very small - too many 'modellers' are not even prepared to change the number on a model, let alone modify one significantly. Sorry, John Isherwood. Manufacturers get enough criticism when they make small unintentional errors; they'd be mad to do it deliberately. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 I wonder if they would do better with the MU-fitted version. It gives them the option of both Nanking Blue with yellow ends (but not the custard dip) and also the reversed blue-grey livery. Also it would appeal to WR modellers who didn't go the original batch. OK it would require a retool of the cabs but if Bachmann have any sense they will have planned ahead and made slides for this anyway. Or is this a final hurrah for the original model before they retool? Either way, it seems odd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted March 16, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 16, 2015 I wonder if they would do better with the MU-fitted version. It gives them the option of both Nanking Blue with yellow ends (but not the custard dip) and also the reversed blue-grey livery. Also it would appeal to WR modellers who didn't go the original batch. OK it would require a retool of the cabs but if Bachmann have any sense they will have planned ahead and made slides for this anyway. Or is this a final hurrah for the original model before they retool? Either way, it seems odd. I suspect it may be the final hurrah for the Blue Pullman, full stop. The way prices are going, I can't see there being many takers for a WR 8-car that will be too long for most people's layouts, priced somewhere in the region of £800 three or four years down the line. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
petee19 Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Latest Bachmann Times has arrived today and the Midland Pullman set is mentioned,it states the power cars will have different running numbers to those previously available in the Nanking Blue livery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Silver Sidelines Posted March 16, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 16, 2015 Hi Hugh I am perhaps repeating my earlier Post. There were only two Midland Pullman Sets and Bachmann have already produced these, one set in in Nanking Blue and one set in Nanking Blue plus Custard Dip. The Custard Dip set differ from the full Nanking Blue set in having a darker shade of roof grey and grey painted engines and machinery as opposed to silver on the full Nanking Blue livery see- see my video for a comparison. N...., M60092 etc, perhaps you know'! Regards Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Francis deWeck Posted March 17, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 17, 2015 Latest Bachmann Times has arrived today and the Midland Pullman set is mentioned,it states the power cars will have different running numbers to those previously available in the Nanking Blue livery. Hi, I've checked back with Bachmann collectors club, the reference to the power cars was described as a 'typo' and that the running numbers will be different from those found on the original release. I think this is a proof-reading goof, error by omission in the Magazine. Regards, Hugh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Francis deWeck Posted March 17, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 17, 2015 Hi Hugh I am perhaps repeating my earlier Post. There were only two Midland Pullman Sets and Bachmann have already produced these, one set in in Nanking Blue and one set in Nanking Blue plus Custard Dip. The Custard Dip set differ from the full Nanking Blue set in having a darker shade of roof grey and grey painted engines and machinery as opposed to silver on the full Nanking Blue livery see- see my video for a comparison. Regards Ray Hi Ray, Until we see the new set, I think the best bet is a second Blue Pullman, original Nanking Blue, sans 'custard dip', with running numbers as outlined in my tabulation. So it must be a re-invention to a degree as you intimate. Hugh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted March 20, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 20, 2015 Hi Hugh Thirty all? So are you saying that the 'new' model will be the 'Custard Dip' second Midland Pullman already produced by Bachmann but reinvented in its original livery? A taster here perhaps? Regards Ray He may not be, but I do wonder if that may be the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 They are going to bu99er you all up and do it in the reversed blue and grey with the jumper cables on the front ends and sell it as a twelve car set. OzzyO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted March 20, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 20, 2015 He may not be, but I do wonder if that may be the case. I didn't think that there was any doubt about it. I read the announcement to say that the model itself would be identical to the first (non-custard) version, but numbered as the second set; (ie. as per the custard version). Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted March 20, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 20, 2015 If you want oneNanking Blue....get on e bay quick....now v .good price!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tim Hall Posted March 20, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 20, 2015 Missed it by 6 mins, grr! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coppercap Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 What? Sold for only £260? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted March 23, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 23, 2015 I didn't think that there was any doubt about it. I read the announcement to say that the model itself would be identical to the first (non-custard) version, but numbered as the second set; (ie. as per the custard version). Regards, John Isherwood. Still not convinced we're singing from the same hymn sheet... I'm suggesting that Bachmann may have a large number of unsold custard dip sets that it is going to rework into the original livery and put them in these sets. As such they would carry the custard dip vehicle numbers. Some time ago Bachmann had the custard dip sets showing in stock on its website and then they disappeared rather than being shown as out of stock as with most other models. Makes me wonder if the unsold sets have been shipped back to China to be reworked, with either new Power Cars being produced rather than full sets or even just the cab fronts being repainted. Both options would keep the costs down and it wouldn't be the first time a model has been reworked. IIRC a Class 150 had factory weathering added, as does the BR Blue 2-EPB in the new catalogue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Topham Hatt Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Converting a full yellow end back to blue/white is really quite easy to do for someone who has reasonable respray skills and the yellow models have been on offer new for some very low prices - I paid less than £200 a year ago but they have crept back up to around £300 now! Add a pot of Railmatch paint and Fox transfers and you are there. The most difficult part is trying to prise the shell free of the chassis without damaging all those delicate parts. The Triang example had just one big screw and it fell apart!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted March 24, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 24, 2015 Remember the remotoring of the initial A1 ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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