GWR-Fanatic Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Fiddlers End (Chrythorion Darfod, when translated into Welsh) is owned by RM-Web member GWR-Fanatic. The layout recieved it's debut at the 2012 exhibition of the Tonbridge Model Railway Club of which it and it's owner is affiliated. Here are the dimensions for the layout with track plan: Length – 220 Centimetres (7 feet, 2 Inches) when unfolded for display Width – 18 Centimetres (7 Inches) Height – 11 Centimetres (4.3 Inches) The Station Building (modeled upon Castle Cary in Somerset): The signal box (modeled upon the Exeter Riverside Signalbox): Fiddlers End (Chrythorion Darfod) is a fictional, preserved railway located in a village of the same name, located within the heart of North Wales; featuring a mixture of locomotives from all regions, but most of all the Great Western Railway, hence the variety that can be run at any one time. Its main collection consists of locomotives from the GWR and BR Western Region, though it does include stock from other companies, including the LMS and Southern Railways. Incorporated in 1868, by the Cambrian Railways Company, and finally opened in 1872 the line has been the main artery to and from the settlement ever since. This project is not based upon any form of prototype and is a wholly original layout. The buildings placed upon it, being the signal box and station are from kits produced by Ratio, and depict GWR architecture, the remaining buildings and structures that can be found are of original designs which stand in as workshops for the ‘works’ yard. It is designed in two halves and is hinged so it can fold for easy and safe storage. The points function fully though they are not electric, relying instead upon the “tube and wire†method. A scratch build bridge acts as a scenic break to split the two halves. The right hand base board contains the “village†end, where the station itself can be found, featuring a bay platform, with a single through platform and passing loop. Also on this section is a siding for the storage of coaches and other rolling stock. On the left hand baseboard can be found the works yard, here you will find locomotives picking up or returning rolling stock, as well as awaiting maintenance and overhaul. Each baseboard contains a fiddle yard, the right hand board having two tracks, whilst the left hand board has a single track, though all three interconnect as the left side leads into the station itself. By giving the layout heritage status, this has allowed for greater flexibility in the types of locomotive that can appear, therefore giving a greater range and variety for viewers. It has also allowed a better series in the way of rolling stock, and therefore gives more options in relation to movement. For a complete set of my photos of the layout please follow this link: http://www.rmweb.co....out-in-n-gauge/ It is hoped that there will be a website for the layout set up in the future, for the moment however, the status of the layout may also be found via its Facebook group page: Fiddlers End - An N Gauge Layout. https://www.facebook...53969618045280/ A Brief Note on the choice of name: The overall reason behind the choice of name for the layout is that I love old myths, legends and folk tales, and Britain has many folk tales involving mysterious tunnels and the explorers who enter them never to be seen again. The name Fiddlers End is a nod towards all the traditional stories of when a secret tunnel is found beneath a church, and is (in most cases which I could find during my personal research) investigated by a Fiddler, who plays music so that people above can follow, only for it to cease along the way, and the fiddler to never be seen again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UP844 Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Fiddlers End doesn't sound very much like a North Wales place name. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinW Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Good to see that what I told you last night worked (thank you Andy) and that you can log in again Matt. You will probably want to put a track plan of the layout up on here. And to UP844, it does have a Welsh name as well as Fiddler's End. Colin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamB Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 It's just that "Fiddlers End" is easier to pronounce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWR-Fanatic Posted February 24, 2012 Author Share Posted February 24, 2012 Fiddlers End doesn't sound very much like a North Wales place name. As ColinW stated, the layout does have a Welsh version of the name, the English when translated into Welsh reads as "Chrythorion Darfod". I can confirm that I've amended the original post in order to clarify the alternative name. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWR-Fanatic Posted February 27, 2012 Author Share Posted February 27, 2012 Some of the layout's photograph are also available on Flickr, however I have attempted to place them into this topic thread with no success, it simply shows the code rather than the photograph, therefore I have returned the original link to the layout description until I can figure out why it is not posting the image, only the coding for the image. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbishop Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 One hates to be pedantic, but you have alternative spellings of the Welsh name. I think it should be Crythorian Darfod, so you may wish to delete the surplus "h" in the post's title. You realise, of course, that darfod translates in the sense of "perish" rather than "location": what a sad name. Also, the company name was Cambrian Railways - with an "S" on the end. Am I not a perishing pedant? Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWR-Fanatic Posted March 2, 2012 Author Share Posted March 2, 2012 One hates to be pedantic, but you have alternative spellings of the Welsh name. I think it should be Crythorian Darfod, so you may wish to delete the surplus "h" in the post's title. You realise, of course, that darfod translates in the sense of "perish" rather than "location": what a sad name. Also, the company name was Cambrian Railways - with an "S" on the end. Am I not a perishing pedant? Bill I would not at all consider your messages as pendantic, I in fact find them most helpful, as I would really like to make this a page for all to enjoy and comment on, and it's good people like your self who spot things that I may have missed, which helps me to update (regularly) the information I have provided. I have taken your advice and have made the amendments you have suggested, and added a section in relation to why I have chosen the name for the layout as it stands (in a nutshell it relates to on of my interests set around British folk lore). Please do not hesitate to let me know if you see anything else that I may have missed, and to all who view my page, if you do see something that appears out of place, or is perhaps not accurate factually, please do let me know. The same can also be said if you would like to learn a little bit more about the layout, or even the backstory of the layout (though entirely fictional I must add). Please do let me know, and I will be most delighted to give some further details. Cheers! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinW Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I would not at all consider your messages as pendantic, I in fact find them most helpful, as I would really like to make this a page for all to enjoy and comment on, and it's good people like your self who spot things that I may have missed, which helps me to update (regularly) the information I have provided. I have taken your advice and have made the amendments you have suggested, and added a section in relation to why I have chosen the name for the layout as it stands (in a nutshell it relates to on of my interests set around British folk lore). Please do not hesitate to let me know if you see anything else that I may have missed, and to all who view my page, if you do see something that appears out of place, or is perhaps not accurate factually, please do let me know. The same can also be said if you would like to learn a little bit more about the layout, or even the backstory of the layout (though entirely fictional I must add). Please do let me know, and I will be most delighted to give some further details. Cheers! Don't listen to Bill, Matt, I know how easily lead you are, you listened to Barry at the club for a start . Colin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWR-Fanatic Posted March 5, 2012 Author Share Posted March 5, 2012 Don't listen to Bill, Matt, I know how easily lead you are, you listened to Barry at the club for a start . Colin That perhaps is a topic left for debate elsewhere, though I still maintain I learnt from one of the best of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWR-Fanatic Posted March 16, 2012 Author Share Posted March 16, 2012 Is any one able to advise how to get actual photos onto the layout description that I have posted at the top? The problem is, I'm not too happy about having a link to the gallery I set up, and would prefer to post some images for people to view as it would help to break up the text. The layout is undergoing cleaning at the moment, news of it's next public appearence may perchance follow very soon, please watch this space for further updates. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCromptonParkinson Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 Is any one able to advise how to get actual photos onto the layout description that I have posted at the top? The problem is, I'm not too happy about having a link to the gallery I set up, and would prefer to post some images for people to view as it would help to break up the text. The layout is undergoing cleaning at the moment, news of it's next public appearence may perchance follow very soon, please watch this space for further updates. Matt I put my photos into Flickr and then import them from there, it's free and it's simple. Just open up an account load them onto that. When making a post here, look at the toolbar and click on the little 'picture' icon and paste in the 'image location' off the picture in flickr - it maybe a bit different as I have a mac, but the principle is the same. Oly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWR-Fanatic Posted March 16, 2012 Author Share Posted March 16, 2012 Matt I put my photos into Flickr and then import them from there, it's free and it's simple. Just open up an account load them onto that. When making a post here, look at the toolbar and click on the little 'picture' icon and paste in the 'image location' off the picture in flickr - it maybe a bit different as I have a mac, but the principle is the same. Oly Cheers! Will try it again, as I have actually set up a Flickr account prior to this being posted. I think I may have tried the HTML option last time so will try it that way! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWR-Fanatic Posted March 16, 2012 Author Share Posted March 16, 2012 Finally worked out how to post images from Flickr onto this thread, planning to post more in the future, but at the moment, the few samples in the main topic description are for the purposes of whetting the appetite as it were. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinW Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Is any one able to advise how to get actual photos onto the layout description that I have posted at the top? The problem is, I'm not too happy about having a link to the gallery I set up, and would prefer to post some images for people to view as it would help to break up the text. The layout is undergoing cleaning at the moment, news of it's next public appearence may perchance follow very soon, please watch this space for further updates. Matt the way I have put photos of Avon junction on here is to download the photos onto your computer, then click on the more reply options and at the bottom there is an attach files box (similar when attaching to e-mails), click that box then just search your files for the photos you want to use and attach them that way, you can also add a brief description below them as well then. Colin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
artizen Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Andy Y made a comment on another thread about using the more reply options to upload photos directly into your text as you go along. Just can't remember which thread it was now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWR-Fanatic Posted March 17, 2012 Author Share Posted March 17, 2012 Matt the way I have put photos of Avon junction on here is to download the photos onto your computer, then click on the more reply options and at the bottom there is an attach files box (similar when attaching to e-mails), click that box then just search your files for the photos you want to use and attach them that way, you can also add a brief description below them as well then. Colin I'll give it a try Colin, thanks for that. Andy Y made a comment on another thread about using the more reply options to upload photos directly into your text as you go along. Just can't remember which thread it was now. I'll also keep watch for this particular thread, which may also be of great use. Cheers! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWR-Fanatic Posted March 28, 2012 Author Share Posted March 28, 2012 Some more photos giving a closer view of Fiddlers End, and of some of the stock used on the layout. LMS Fowler 3F "Jinty" No.47338 (Photographed as in the works yard section of the layout): The works yard section of the layout featuring LMS Fowler 3F "Jinty" No.47338 and GWR Collett 57XX Pannier No.5768 The station side of the platform featuring GWR Collett Diesel railcar No.19 (in Bay) and GWR Churchward/Collett 5101 "Prairie" No.5153 The railway coach works, with coach undergoing restoration Some of the signalling (the line on the right hand side leads into the left hand fiddle yard) An image of the bridge that hides up the hinge of the layout (the bus represents a heritage service to the local village center) The Routemaster and bus stop GWR Collett Diesel Railcar No.19 in Bay Platform British Railways Standard Class 4MT No. 80130 (in run round loop next to station) GWR Collett 57XX Class Pannier No.5768 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWR-Fanatic Posted March 28, 2012 Author Share Posted March 28, 2012 Some more photos from the layout... Top down view of water tank and coal staithe in the station side of the layout Top down view of LMS Fowler 3F "Jinty" No.47338 next to embankment in the works yard, hauling LMS Freight stock Top down view of GWR Collett 57XX Class Pannier No.5768 in works yard with GWR freight stock Top down view of GWR Collett 57XX Class Pannier No.5768 in works yard with full rake of GWR freight stock Another view of the Coach Works (see previous post), with yellow British Railways work van parked in bay nearby The road bridge that hides up the hinge that allows the layout to fold over GWR Collett 4900 "Hall" Class No.6953 "Leighton" Hall in Station platform Looking along the platform towards GWR Collett 4900 "Hall" Class No.6953 "Leighton" and station building GWR Collett 14XX "Push-Pull" No.1472 in bay platform Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWR-Fanatic Posted March 28, 2012 Author Share Posted March 28, 2012 Some photos of the earliest phases of the layout's construction process... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinW Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Here is a photo of GWR-Fanatic (Matt) and his uncle behind Fiddler's end at the Tonbridge Show this year. Matt's uncle helped Matt whilst building the layout. Colin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinZaPint Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Hello Colin As a fellow N gauger I have to admire what you have achieved, keep us posted! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrislock Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Please do not hesitate to let me know if you see anything else that I may have missed An apostrophe in Fiddler's ( or Fiddlers') ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Budgie Posted April 4, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 4, 2012 Fiddlers End (Chrythorion Darfod, when translated into Welsh) A Brief Note on the choice of name: The overall reason behind the choice of name for the layout is that I love old myths, legends and folk tales, and Britain has many folk tales involving mysterious tunnels and the explorers who enter them never to be seen again. The name Fiddlers End is a nod towards all the traditional stories of when a secret tunnel is found beneath a church, and is (in most cases which I could find during my personal research) investigated by a Fiddler, who plays music so that people above can follow, only for it to cease along the way, and the fiddler to never be seen again. "Crythor" is the Welsh for a crwth-player, or fiddler. "Crythorion" is the plural, "fiddlers", not the possessive. "Chrythorion" is a grammatical variant, called the "aspirate mutation" which is used after words like "and" and "her". The possessive is indicated by putting the possessor after the thing possessed, so "fiddler's end" is translated as "end of the fiddler", or, using the words you selected, Darfod y Crythor Hope this helps. I like the layout, by the way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWR-Fanatic Posted April 4, 2012 Author Share Posted April 4, 2012 As a fellow N gauger I have to admire what you have achieved, keep us posted! Thanks, I hope to get some more photos of the layout up, it's next public appearance will hopefully be at a village fete in Kent at the end of June, so might attempt to get some photos whilst there. An apostrophe in Fiddler's ( or Fiddlers') ? The apostrophe was dropped early on in fact, never could work out why I did that, because when I first named the layout it was "Fiddler's End" (the supposed GWR spelling) rather than "Fiddlers End" but the latter version on the name (or as I like to call it the "BR Version") seemed to stick. Though the source material I created does have some variations within the display images I've made. Examples of the name alteration (all created by me on my computer using Seriph Photoplus X2 and Paintshop Pro 7) A custom GWR station name board without the apostrophe: A custom BR Western Region Totem with the Apostrophe: A custome BR Western Region Totem without the Apostrophe and extra text showing the current Welsh variation of the name within it's lower section: "Crythor" is the Welsh for a crwth-player, or fiddler. "Crythorion" is the plural, "fiddlers", not the possessive. "Chrythorion" is a grammatical variant, called the "aspirate mutation" which is used after words like "and" and "her". The possessive is indicated by putting the possessor after the thing possessed, so "fiddler's end" is translated as "end of the fiddler", or, using the words you selected, Darfod y Crythor Hope this helps. I like the layout, by the way. Glad you like the layout, and many thanks for the input, as a non-Welsh speaker (I'm English just to clarify) I used an online translator which gave me the alternative name of the layout. http://www.translati...English&to=Wels I might look into re-evaluating the name and perchance go with this alternative option Once again many thanks to all those who have posted so far, do keep your views, thoughts and guidance coming, I love to hear what people think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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