McGomez Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 I thought you guys may be interested in this. I came across it on railwaymania.com a Spanish Railway website last week. It looks like it is going to be released in the new year and on their website http://www.ldhiberica.com/index.html it says that it will be their first entry into the DCC market but they have plans for (according to the dropdown tabs on the web): Encoders (stationary decoders?), Boosters, Consolas (which are command stations in spanish) and accesories. The details for the decoder are the following: - 4 functions. - 1,5 Amp maximum power output - NMRA complient. - Works on DC. - Size 16,5 x 30 x 5mm. - Can be installed in the majority of locomotives on the market. - Ideal for digitalising pre-DCC era locomotives. - NEM 652 connector. - PCB protected with heatshrink. - Excelent speed control for shunting. No mention of BEMF, speed steps, short or long addresses etc. I??m no expert on the different decoders on the market, so does anyone know if it is a rebadging exercise or is it in-fact a new make of decoder? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzie Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 Those five gold pads on the left of the decoder look suspiciously like a Microchip in-circuit programming connector, so should be reasonably inexpensive and there could be scope for someone to fix the firmware if it is not all singing and dancing. Might be interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDH Iberica Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 Hi all, My name is Marcelo. I'm the technical support in LDH Iberica. I would like to answer to the following question about the BEMF capacity of our 4F1.5A decoder. I thought you guys may be interested in this. I came across it on railwaymania.com a Spanish Railway website last week. It looks like it is going to be released in the new year and on their website http://www.ldhiberica.com/index.html it says that it will be their first entry into the DCC market but they have plans for (according to the dropdown tabs on the web): Encoders (stationary decoders?), Boosters, Consolas (which are command stations in spanish) and accesories. The details for the decoder are the following: - 4 functions. - 1,5 Amp maximum power output - NMRA complient. - Works on DC. - Size 16,5 x 30 x 5mm. - Can be installed in the majority of locomotives on the market. - Ideal for digitalising pre-DCC era locomotives. - NEM 652 connector. - PCB protected with heatshrink. - Excelent speed control for shunting. No mention of BEMF, speed steps, short or long addresses etc. I??m no expert on the different decoders on the market, so does anyone know if it is a rebadging exercise or is it in-fact a new make of decoder?" Yes, our decoder (Model 41.5A) have BEMF. When you saw our website, unfortunately our webmaster had not included the feature that it was published in other media like magazines. A few days ago we have corrected this error which I apologize on behalf of LDH Ib?©rica. Our deco support speed steps, short and long addresses and several lighting modes. You can download our manual from http://www.ldhiberic...m/manuales.html (Manual decoder 4F1.5A). I do not understand the term "rebadging exercise" but by context I assume you are referring to a possible market research. If so, I can confirm that we are a young brand that wants to make a name in the decoders market for railway modeling. I hope I have answered your question and if you have any further I will be happy to answer it. You may also send an e-mail to soporte@ldhiberica.com Sincerely Marcelo Colio Technical Support - LDH Iberica Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 Hi Marcelo Thanks for posting on this forum. :icon_thumbsup2: The term "rebadging exercise" means a product that is made and sold by another company and which is re-branded and sold as your own companies product. As such I think McGomez was wondering if you are designing and making this decoder yourselve's, or having it made for you; ....or is it another companies decoder which you are buying in to sell under your own label? Also, what sort of Consolas and other equipment are you planning to market? Regards Ron . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGomez Posted February 5, 2010 Author Share Posted February 5, 2010 Hi Marcelo. I was waiting until lunch time to respond to your question about "rebadging" but Ron has answered it already. I was going to explain it using the Bachmann chips as an example that were originally a Lenz product (the 8 pin version) and ESU (the 21 pin) As I am a DCC user but obviously don??t know all the items on the market I thought I??d ask here on RM Web as there is a pretty wide and knowledgable audience always willing to help. I do know that your decoders are now on sale and as I normally visit Elche from time to time I will buy one and give it a try. Regards McGomez Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 I was going to explain it using the Bachmann chips as an example.... Funnily enough so was I. ....that were originally a Lenz product (the 8 pin version) and ESU (the 21 pin).... Not quite correct. The older 4-function (now deleted) and 2-function decoders are/were Lenz. The current range of 8-pin and 21-pin 3-function decoders are two versions of the same ESU decoder Sorry for being so pedantic. :icon_redface: . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGomez Posted February 5, 2010 Author Share Posted February 5, 2010 I wouldn??t say pedantic. Thanks for correcting me. I presume the newish Bachmann 6 pin is also an ESU product then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 I presume the newish Bachmann 6 pin is also an ESU product then? No, it's from SoundTraxx. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allegheny1600 Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 No, it's from SoundTraxx. . Hi there chaps and excuse me butting in! How do you find these things out, please? By which i mean if a decoder is rebadged from one company to another, how do you tell? Is it the layout of the electronics or the ID of the decoder - i would have thought they would have changed THAT!!!! Cheers, John E. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_long Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 Hi Marcelo Any plans for exporting the decoders and other equipment when you have them ready for release in Spain? I'm sure you'd find a good market in the UK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigwelsh Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 Hi there chaps and excuse me butting in! How do you find these things out, please? By which i mean if a decoder is rebadged from one company to another, how do you tell? Is it the layout of the electronics or the ID of the decoder - i would have thought they would have changed THAT!!!! Cheers, John E. In the case of the ex-Lenz chips they had the Lenz model number stickers still on them as Bachmann must have bought up stocks of the older decoders when the Gold and Silver types came out. They also had the manufacturer ID CV still showing the Lenz id. I presume the ESU decoders have an ESU manufacturer ID and look identical. I don't think Bachmann are trying to hide the fact the decoders are made by someone else so they wouldn't bother having anything changed. Its also well known that ESU make Dynamis. By the sounds of it from the replay by Marcelo Colio the new decoder is designed 'in house'. Is there going to be a UK distributor for these? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDH Iberica Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 Hi Marcelo. I was waiting until lunch time to respond to your question about "rebadging" but Ron has answered it already. I was going to explain it using the Bachmann chips as an example that were originally a Lenz product (the 8 pin version) and ESU (the 21 pin) As I am a DCC user but obviously don??t know all the items on the market I thought I??d ask here on RM Web as there is a pretty wide and knowledgable audience always willing to help. I do know that your decoders are now on sale and as I normally visit Elche from time to time I will buy one and give it a try. Regards McGomez Hi All, Thank you all for your interest about LDH Iberica and for the explanation about "rebadding". We are the designers of our own products. Do not buy from any vendor, but we are a young company that has a design and research department to create our own decoders. For Mc Gomez. It would be interesting for me when you're about to travel to Elche contact me to soporte@ldhiberica.es. I am also interested in his criticism of our products because it enriches all and is a source of continuous improvement. At the moment we are not marketing the central because we have other releases as the N scale decoder, another version of the decoder 4F1.5A and a functions decoder. We hope to launch the central in mid-2010. Thanks Marcelo soporte@ldhiberica.com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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