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Hugh Flynn

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Looking at my next layout and trying to put things into place,Now I dont live in an area where these trains went past and wanted to know what classes pulled the nuclear trains and any photos would be great.

The main thing I remember from mags is class 25,s in blue and 31,s in sector livery.

But what about other classes. 56 , 47 , 60

AS I said any photos would be great.There are loads about DRS but few others or i am looking in the wrong place?

Thanks in advance

Hugh

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A quick gander at 'Railfreight Since 1968- Containers, Cars and Special Traffics' by Paul Shannon gives some idea of the variety:-

Class 40 40007 at Carlisle in 1981, with 2 flasks, no barriers and a brake van.

Class 33 33206 at Lydd in 1983, with two ferryvans as barriers, a single flask and brake van

Class 25 25058 at Maentwrog in 1985, with two flats as barriers, a flask and brake van

Class 25 25201 at Stevenston in 1985; two flasks, no barrier

Class 37 37219 at Temple Mills in 1987, two HEAs as barriers, one flask and van

Class 33 33211 at Eastleigh in 1987, composition as above.

Class 25 25089 at Bootle (Cumbria)- ferry van, two flasks, two ferry vans, one flask, ferry van, brake.

I've seen a photo of a flask behind a Metro-Vick Class 28 as well.

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I photographed the Hinkley Point nuclear flasks to and from Bridgwater a few times,

originally they passed on ordinary services before having their own dedicated service.

 

 

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Until early 1981 the Bridgwater pilot worked up from Taunton each morning,

the discharged flasks from Sellafield were routed down to Taunton to arrive on this service.

08281 has just arrived at Bridgwater on the 06.55 from Taunton which unusually includes engineers wagons, 12/9/80

 

 

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The loaded flasks from Hinkley Point were loaded in the yard at Bridgwater, then attached to a Warrington or Bescot service.

47335 working 7M22 09.05 Exeter Riverside - Bescot has shunted out onto the up main ready to restart, 12/9/80

 

 

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31254 passes through Bristol Temple Meads with 7M22 08.55 exeter Riverside - Bescot with flasks in the formation, 17/1/79

 

 

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By 1982 the nuclear flasks for Hinkley Point had their own service from Sellafield,

I think it called at Crewe(?) to detach, and Gloucester to detach for Berkeley PS.

31192 working 6V52 (MWO) Sellafield - Bridgwater passes Uphill Junction, 15/6/82

 

 

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At Chelvey, west of Nailsea and Backwell 47060 heads north with 7M53 15.00 (TTHO) Bridgwater - Sellafield, 6/11/86

 

 

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Hi

Looking at my next layout and trying to put things into place,Now I dont live in an area where these trains went past and wanted to know what classes pulled the nuclear trains and any photos would be great.

The main thing I remember from mags is class 25,s in blue and 31,s in sector livery.

But what about other classes. 56 , 47 , 60

AS I said any photos would be great.There are loads about DRS but few others or i am looking in the wrong place?

Thanks in advance

Hugh

The construction of Bradwell-on-Sea, Essex nuclear power station commenced in 1957. Southminster Station was used as the railhead for materials and when the plant went live in 1962, Southminster was used to transfer nuclear waste material.

 

Initially the waste on Flatrol wagons was included in the branch freight train, usually coupled behind the loco. As the general freight traffic ended, the only freight on the branch was nuclear waste and sand/gravel, the later ending in November 1978.

 

Motive power for the branch was provided by Stratford Depot and photos exist of Brush Type 2, Class 31, Class 37 and Class 47 on the branch. Presumably Class 14 and 15s could have also appeared on the traffic in the early 1960s.

 

Towards the end of flask traffic on the branch, I have only seen Class 20s, 37s and 47s used.

 

Paul

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Until early 1981 the Bridgwater pilot worked up from Taunton each morning,

the discharged flasks from Sellafield were routed down to Taunton to arrive on this service.

08281 has just arrived at Bridgwater on the 06.55 from Taunton which unusually includes engineers wagons, 12/9/80

 

 

Is that one of the original FNA's - as introduced in 1976 with the sloped sides and no roof for the flask?

Was the level side introduced so that the roof could slide out of the way? (I realise that only one end would need modifying for this, but then the wagon would look a bit odd and maybe unbalanced)

 

Cheers,

Mick

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How suitable would the Bachmann model 38-346A of a FNA Nuclear Flask Wagon be for a BR Blue layout please? They list it as era 8, '1982 – 1994 British Railways Sectorisation', but in some of the above pictures with BR Blue locos it looks as though the flask is very similar? Thanks

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Is that one of the original FNA's - as introduced in 1976 with the sloped sides and no roof for the flask?

Was the level side introduced so that the roof could slide out of the way? (I realise that only one end would need modifying for this, but then the wagon would look a bit odd and maybe unbalanced)

 

Cheers,

Mick

 

 

Hi Mick,

sorry I did not make a note of the number at the time, but I think you are right about the type.

Looking at Paul Bartletts site it does appear to be an early series 55xxxx flatrol.

Here is another shot from the rear:-

 

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At Bridgwater 08281 shunts wagons off the trip from Taunton into the yard,

next to the loco is a discharged flask to be taken to Hinckley Point,

behind that is a tank of acid for the Royal Ordnance Factory at Huntspill

and a MCV loaded with scrap to be weighed on the weighbridge at Bridgwater. 12/9/80,

 

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How suitable would the Bachmann model 38-346A of a FNA Nuclear Flask Wagon be for a BR Blue layout please? They list it as era 8, '1982 – 1994 British Railways Sectorisation', but in some of the above pictures with BR Blue locos it looks as though the flask is very similar? Thanks

 

550023 was built in 1984 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brnuclearflask/e266ce1b8

 

Paul Bartlett

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The construction of Bradwell-on-Sea, Essex nuclear power station commenced in 1957. Southminster Station was used as the railhead for materials and when the plant went live in 1962, Southminster was used to transfer nuclear waste material.

 

Initially the waste on Flatrol wagons was included in the branch freight train, usually coupled behind the loco. As the general freight traffic ended, the only freight on the branch was nuclear waste and sand/gravel, the later ending in November 1978.

 

Motive power for the branch was provided by Stratford Depot and photos exist of Brush Type 2, Class 31, Class 37 and Class 47 on the branch. Presumably Class 14 and 15s could have also appeared on the traffic in the early 1960s.

 

Towards the end of flask traffic on the branch, I have only seen Class 20s, 37s and 47s used.

 

Paul

 

Paul, Do you happen to know what the track plan was at Southminster after they built the "gantry" but before the Goods yard was closed?

It was a short window between (I think) 1962 and 1965.

 

Thank you, Pete.

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Paul, Do you happen to know what the track plan was at Southminster after they built the "gantry" but before the Goods yard was closed?

It was a short window between (I think) 1962 and 1965.

 

Thank you, Pete.

 

I've got a number of track plans of Southminster and I'll check with Jim to confirm track plan for the period you mention.

 

Paul

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Hi

Again thanks for info another thing on this subject what road wagon/lorry would I need for 80,s 90,s period?

thanks in advance

Hugh

 

Hi Hugh,

here are a couple of pictures at Bridgwater in 1983, 7V52 arriving, and then under the gantry,

the lorry here is a Scammell, (GTC 621X) though I don't know if it was a typical tractor unit.

 

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7V52 17.22 MWO Sellafield - Bridgwater, 47202 is propelling into the yard on arrival, 9/8/83.

 

 

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47202 positions a flask wagon under the gantry crane at Bridgwater,

I had never noticed the old wooden container before, 9/8/83

 

Edit - And one more of the other Scammell (GTC 603X)

 

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Scammell GTC 603X under the gantry crane at Bridgwater, 9/8/83

 

 

 

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