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C301 116 DMU modelled from Lima


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OK this is reusing some other posts plus some new ones.

 

AS some of you may know I am building 5 Lima DMUs, the one I already own is being repainted again and detailed - this is B430.

 

I have completed my 118 B465 and most of the way through 117 B435.

 

My next two are a Cardiff gangwayed 116 and a Tyseley 116 with a 115 trailer.

 

This thread is for C301.

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The centre coach, this is made from a couple of Lima trailers, it is 4.5mm longer than a TCL and has had chassis lengthening.

 

Cutting pattern 1

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Cutting pattern 2

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Paint version of a 116

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Next post is construction

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Here I am assembling the unit, all handrails and door handles have been removed and will be replaced by etched items, roof was smoothed but not too well as that would be done after splicing.

 

Carefull use of pegs and the pressed weights

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A close up

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The completed shell ready for smoothing

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I sanded and filled the roof, until smooth, roof is reinforced with 3 plastic strips the length of it and a plastic strip on each side under the windows, make sure it does not foul the chassis.

 

All handrails were now drilled and smoothed down.

 

I then primed, and this was a disaster and I cannot work out why, a large amount of wet & dry was used to get the roof into a decent state.

 

Every bit of filed off Lima roof, such as vents, toilet pipes, and roof lines have dips in them, the paint forms shallow trenches other these, and much spraying and sanding is needed to get a decent job.

 

About 2 days of it!!!!

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The next job was to do the power cars, the DMS was chosen, its headcode box sawn off.

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Back filled wih plastic card

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Covered in filler

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To be DMS with half made boxes

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Next posts are to be

 

My plan of the headcode box. 3.5mm high, 11mm wide, 15 thou plastic card is correct width for the frame.

 

Picture of TS interior, cut from 2 TCL interiors with arm rests filed off so I can use the first class section.

 

Finished DMBS headcode. It does look 116 but I need to make some headlightss for C301.

 

Will then be a quiet period until I can afford 2 DMS conversion kits as car tyres come first.

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Apologies for the photo quality

 

Some were mobile phone photos shrunk in size and its flash is not brilliant (work Nokia Symbian jobbie), some are video camera stills onto memory stick, so dynamic range is not great, as it is designed for HD video (Sony HDV) ands its flash is useless for closeup

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The Tysley trailer is also under construction, should I post in this thread or start a new one titled 115 trailer for Tysley 116

 

Interior photos

Cut from 2 interiorspost-14686-0-44012100-1353235725.jpg

 

Pushed together

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The rest of the bits and another interior will be used for the Tysley centre car

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The centre coach, this is made from a couple of Lima trailers, it is 4.5mm longer than a TCL and has had chassis lengthening.

 

Cutting pattern 1

post-14686-0-30879900-1352985109_thumb.jpg

 

Cutting pattern 2

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Paint version of a 116

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Next post is construction

 

An interesting conversion, I did a 117 to 116 many years ago, but made do with using the 117 TCL. Is the extra 4.5mm length you mention on the trailer a feature of the prototype or is this a necessary compromise of the cut and shut method? (not being critical - just curious)

 

For info; there used to be an etched brass destination blind box in the Craftsman range - I have a couple stashed away for some 122s.

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Its simply because the positioning of all the doors and windows on the lima 117 are in the wrong place or the wrong size. Thus cutting the toilet section out the other bits dont fit

 

Cheers

 

Jim

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An interesting conversion, I did a 117 to 116 many years ago, but made do with using the 117 TCL. Is the extra 4.5mm length you mention on the trailer a feature of the prototype or is this a necessary compromise of the cut and shut method? (not being critical - just curious)

 

For info; there used to be an etched brass destination blind box in the Craftsman range - I have a couple stashed away for some 122s.

 

Lima are slightly out on their compartment size 0.5mm, but rather than try to correct easier to have a slightly over length centre car.

 

Will be ordering the DMS panels this week.

 

The white lining is my least favourite job, I am going to have to learn to bow pen.

 

Etched headcode boxes are a good idea, I never knew anyone did them.

 

I am very unlikely to finish this before spring unless we have a warm spell as my compressor is in the garage.

 

And if we do have a warm spell I am only 2000 miles off my cars cambelt change.

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Would doing something like Colin Parks scratchbuilt EMU builds be easier than hacking about all these sides. I'm tempted to try Colin's techniques out on a bubblecar, it means you could sort out all those small errors and get the tumblehome right, do you not think?

 

That said your doing a very fine job with the Lima parts!!

 

Regards

Dave

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Would doing something like Colin Parks scratchbuilt EMU builds be easier than hacking about all these sides. I'm tempted to try Colin's techniques out on a bubblecar, it means you could sort out all those small errors and get the tumblehome right, do you not think?

 

That said your doing a very fine job with the Lima parts!!

 

Regards

Dave

 

I only have the one life, what Colin does in a month would take me over a year, I tried SB a coach a while ago - very difficult.

 

Anyway least amount of work is DMBS, headcode box, roof vents, handrails, door handles flush glaze bogie steps - not too much work.

 

DMS same + body panels

 

TS one big jigsaw puzzle

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Hi martin

 

Also, sort out front window and reposition filler on second mans side. Id swap the cabs too for DC kits ones if you can get them. Below is an example of the cab swap

 

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Hth

 

Jim

 

Really must get on with my etched sides for 116s

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Hi martin

 

Also, sort out front window and reposition filler on second mans side. Id swap the cabs too for DC kits ones if you can get them. Below is an example of the cab swap

 

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Hth

 

Jim

 

Really must get on with my etched sides for 116s

 

That looks good.

 

Windows are a messy job, done 8 so far 12 to go Not too sure about cab swap, how different are they? Just looks a little flatter.

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So what are the dimensional differences between the Lima and DC ends? I need to decide if financially worth it.

 

Also what part number are they?

 

Thanks

 

Martin

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They are a couple of quid. Afraid i dont know the part number (or even if charlie uses them). Sorry i didnt mention it earlier as the come with roof domes and headcode boxes.

 

They are a fraction wider but the cab sides need a little bit of re-shaping anyway.

 

Cheers

 

Jim

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They are a couple of quid. Afraid i dont know the part number (or even if charlie uses them). Sorry i didnt mention it earlier as the come with roof domes and headcode boxes.

 

They are a fraction wider but the cab sides need a little bit of re-shaping anyway.

 

Cheers

 

Jim

 

I looked at the 114 looks like theirs, I may be OK as I have made boxes of teh small type

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Fitting the resin insert panels

 

Left side with shell

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Starting to cut right side

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Cutting out with razor saw not rivet detail left on

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Nearly off and some polydactyly

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Still sawing off

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Right hand side

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Wire pins added to left side

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Zoomed out sorry it is fuzzy

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Lightly placed see how the pins work. I drilled in the Lima body, held the panel in position, reverse drilled (drill bit with fingers) and use brass wire to reinforce

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Too close again

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See where the pins went, superglued on

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Left side

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Right side

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Answer = Westons

 

I will araldite reinforce one side tonight, the other tomorrow.

 

This took about 2 hours in total and needs quite a bit on gentle filing to get it just so.

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