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I have been reading Gordon Gravett's excellent tree books and decided to take a pace back and spend more time on the trunks and branches ot the trees before I do any further work on the foliage. I have a lot of photo's of trees taken over the last ten years (I bought my first DSLR in 2006) and some of these are proving useful.

 

here are a couple...

 

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With these and Gordon Gravett's suggested techniques in mind I did some work on trees today.

 

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This is my set-up for adding the moss to the tops of branches etc

 

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  • Tree standing in a wooden block
  • Cheap baking tray to catch the excess texture
  • PVA applied to the tops of branches with a brush
  • Fine foliage (Woodland Scenics - I think) dropped onto glued branches with a small spoon

Great fun and very satisfying. How much of this work will be visible when the finished trees are "planted" on the layout remains to be seen.

 

Chaz

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having spent too much time on my 7mm BR(E) exhibition layout, "Dock Green" recently I have at long last switched my attention back to the FVRR. Going back up into the roof today with the idea of making some progress with the trees I couldn't find tools, or materials, so spent a frustrating hour or two searching out stuff and practising my anglo-saxon vocab'. I did manage to get the foliage on a couple of small trees so should be able to get more done tomorrow.

 

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I made these two much smaller than most of the others so that they would fit in between the bigger trees and fill some of the spaces. they also gave me a quick way to test out some of the techniques of applying foliage before I get back to the "big jobs".

 

This one used the Gordon Gravett method of spraying cheap hair spray, adding the foliage scatter and then spraying acrylic matte varnish...

 

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For the other I used Ceynix (!) foliage spray which, I was assured, will fix the greenery with one application.

 

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It will be interesting to see how the two compare when I handle them for the scatter coming adrift.

 

Chaz

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Trees, trees, trees...

 

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Trunk and branches, painted, with added moss, ready for postiche...

 

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Postice glued to branches with PVA.

 

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more postiche added but it's all a bit patchy with large gaps.

 

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Longer patches of postiche prepared so that it will bridge between branches, filling some gaps and producing more of a canopy.

 

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like this...

 

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Now I prefer to put a tree on one side to give the PVA a chance to dry, so here's another one I made earlier...

 

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Spraying a section with Ceynix foliage spray.

 

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Using a piece of cereal packet card to protect a section already done from the force of the spray.

 

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And here's the result.

 

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I mixed two slightly different colours of scatter in a pot before pouring it onto glued areas. I don't think it shows up in the photo' but it does make the foliage more interesting to look at.

 

More later, including planting the first trees (at last!)

 

Chaz

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Chaz,

the application of this fibrous stuff is - in my opinion -

the most difficult part of tree making and gives rise to

the wildest surprises in the end product(s). 

It's so "easy" to make the canopies clumpy or too lofty...

 

I found out I get satisfying results with cut down (6-15mm) Sisal fibres.

 

Also mixing of colours (and of differing grades) is a good advice.

 

Looks promising what you do!

 

Regards

   Armin

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Chaz,

the application of this fibrous stuff is - in my opinion -

the most difficult part of tree making and gives rise to

the wildest surprises in the end product(s). 

It's so "easy" to make the canopies clumpy or too lofty...

 

I found out I get satisfying results with cut down (6-15mm) Sisal fibres.

 

Also mixing of colours (and of differing grades) is a good advice.

 

Looks promising what you do!

 

Regards

   Armin

 

Thanks for those comments. I find the postiche interesting stuff. It seems to stick to itself quite tenaciously and when you pull it into a more open "weeve" it still holds. It is a challenge to glue it to the twigs and branches, being so fine, but spraying the foliage glue backs up the PVA.

 

Time will tell how secure the foliage is, but I'm going to have to keep the vacuum cleaner well away!

 

Chaz

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Hairspray !

 

Hairspray? Hmm. It's certainly useful as an adhesive for scatter but I did have a conversation with "The Tree Lady" at a show and she warned me against putting too much faith in it's holding qualities for, as she pointed out, when it's used on your barnet (not something I do!) you would want it to brush or comb out. So it's formulated to do just that. Mr Gravett advocates its use but he backs it up with an overspray of acrylic varnish to make the fixing more permanent.

 

In any case I would fear for the dangling bits of postiche should they be approached by a vacuum cleaner nozzle - whoosh! GONE!

 

Chaz

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Some good results Chaz

If you didn't know the context this conjures up some odd images

In any case I would fear for the dangling bits of postiche should they be approached by a vacuum cleaner nozzle - whoosh! GONE!

 

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I sprayed some Woodland Scenics lichen with hairspray and it turned white.....However the crumbled foam foliage netting was unaffected.

 

That can happen. However spraying the postiche and then adding the foliage scatter should avoid the problem. However I would still want to "fix" the result - there is too much hard work in each tree for me to welcome the prospect of a "fall"... :nono:

 

I should say though that there are some horsehair brambles and small bushes on Dock Green which have, so far, shown no deciduous tendencies - and these were done with cheepo hairspray. Dock Green gets a good shaking up in the back of vans so maybe hairspray is a reliable adhesive. The cheaper stuff (£1 a can from you know where!) is supposedly stickier. The Ceynix (sic) foliage spray is £10 a can - so it better be better. I will be interested to see how many trees my can does.

 

Chaz

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I've used cheap nasty strong hairspray on trees and bushes on exhibition layouts and have had no issues - as long as the items aren't brushed or handled. A can of Matt varnish does however work well as a fixative.

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Having got back from a few days on the Isle of Wight chasing butterflies and faced with overcast skies and rain I thought it time to finish some of the trees...

 

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...and plant one in position on the layout...

 

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...and another...

 

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...with smaller shrubs in between to produce a thick woodland edge look.

 

I can look out of the window in the roof and see the sort of effect I am looking for.

 

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I am learning fast about what order to do things in. Small first with the bigger trees placed after (they overhang), back first working forward etc.

 

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I am concentrating on the scenery on the other side of the river as, once it's done I can safely fit the bridge in place, lay the track up to and across it and......run a few trains!  A temporary two-track fiddle yard can be put in place for a bit of a play. And of course photo opportunities! WTS.

 

I am pleased to see that the "distant slopes" backscene seems to work nicely above and behind the modelled trees.

 

Chaz

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Well done, Chaz!

Very promising - I'm following with much interest.

Regards

  Armin

 

Thanks mate, on this project I need all the encouragement I can get....

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More progress with greenery...

 

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Trackbed and bridge abutments await the girder bridge. A liitle more greenery must be added to the right and then the bridge can be safely fitted. Hoorah!

 

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I am getting towards the look of thick woodland that I want.

 

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There will be trees and shrubs on the front side of the track so that the view of the trains will be interrupted and this greenery will be partially obscured.

 

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A join with a gap in the backscene needs hiding. There will be a tree right in front of this but it will not obscure it completely.

 

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I found a pack of Heki foliage mat and cut and glued pieces to the backscene with PVA, covering the obvious gap.

 

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This looks flat and unconvincing but once the half-relief (!) tree is added (you can see the hole ready to receive it) it should work - fingers crossed. If it does I will use foliage mat in other places to add to the effect, breaking up the flat-painted distant slopes.

 

Chaz

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I really like the effect you have of shallow water near the river banks Chaz, I'm going to have to re-read the thread to recall how you did that. The scenery is all coming along very nicely!

 

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I really like the effect you have of shallow water near the river banks Chaz, I'm going to have to re-read the thread to recall how you did that. The scenery is all coming along very nicely!

 

Keith

 

It's just a change of colour under the sheet of acrylic, but it does seem to work. It was a gamble but I'm happy with the result.

 

Chaz

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Here's the tree that hides the backscene join, finished and planted...

 

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And this is the same tree from a lower viewpoint.

 

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There's not much evidence of that annoying join now!

 

Some trailing foliage hanging over the edge of the stone abutment.

 

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I found that PVA isn't sticky enough to hold these bits to a vertical wall so I resorted to UHU.

 

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There were some little twigs in my bag of "Forest Floor" - I added some moss to the tops.

 

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Placed under the tree (no need to fix them in place on a permanent layout) they add a nice bit of detail to the ground work.

 

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This area will need a bit more work but it is getting there. The next time I go out for a walk into the woods I will collect some suitable twigs to add to the collection.

 

This scenery lark is getting to be quite a lot of fun.

 

Chaz

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A trail fit of the next two trees.

 

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And while I was thinking of trial fits I got the urge to plonk the bridge in place and see how it looks.

 

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Looks good. What do you think?

 

Chaz

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I have been using a WWS foliage spray to do the trees. Searching through the boxes I found a Treemendus pump-action spray and decided to use this to make a batch of small shrubs.

 

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The cocktail sticks can be glued into the shrub and used to plant it, or can be removed and the shrub glued in place with a blob of PVA. I resort to the latter when I can't drill a hole for the stick.

 

After I had sprayed the shrubs I was left with a pool of excess PVA.

 

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I also had a box of horsehair snippings from cutting the shrubs to shape.

 

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A light-bulb moment! - pick up the horsehair snippings with tweezers roll them in the PVA puddle and throw scatter over them - instant brambles.

 

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The brambles can be placed into the scenery in any spot that needs something extra. Brambles will grow anywhere where there is a patch of light.

 

Chaz

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