Guest davidhood999 Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Hello RM web and readers, This is a dig at RMweb who seem not to like people putting anything on their website that is not 100% pro Hornby. I posted the following copy of an Email I sent to Hornby onto RMweb which was removed the following day. I do not think it is defamatory in any way, I was just asking for assistance which I thought was the purpose of forums such as this. Hello, I read with interest that you are re-releasing the HST locomotives, this time with two motors as opposed to one centrally mounted motor on previous releases. I have 4 of your previous release locos and have the same running problems with 3 of them in that after running them for around 15 minutes they begin to slow down to the point where you have to put the transformer up to to full 100% to make them just crawl along. Not typical HST performance Im sure you will agree. When I phoned you about two years ago about this you said it was nothing to do with the locos and it must be my Gaugemaster controller at fault. So I sent the controller back to Gaugemaster who confirmed there was nothing wrong with it. So..... Is the new two motor design an admission that there is infact a design fault with this loco / motor? Otherwise why would you go to the bother of re-designing a tooling that is itself relatively new? Regards. David Hood. In a response to one of the replies I wrote that I thought that the longevity of Hornby locomotives is not as good as Bachmann locos, again this is an opinion, not a statement of fact and it is opinions like this that will help people decide whether or not to buy a particular item.....the whole point of a forum I thought. I don't think it is any coincidence that RMweb did this when it appears that Hornby are one of the big financial supporters of the website. I wonder how long it will be before this post is removed and will prove my point that RMweb dont want anything remotely negative about Hornby on their site. Where have all the other comments about Hornby gone????? Into Cyber Heaven I reckon. Regards from the probably soon to be barred davidhood999 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 "Defamatory"..? Possibly not quite.... but "asking for assistance"...?? Sorry, I can't see that - 'having a dig' more like. A membership time of 48hrs or so probably hasn't been enough time for you to find "all" the Hornby posts on here, or work out the financing concerns of this Forum - a big clue is the magazine advertised at the top... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted December 19, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 19, 2013 If you were to search "4Vep" you might find a considerable amount of fairly scathing criticism of Hornby on this forum. RMweb is generally unbiassed in my opinion and allows reasonable freedom of speech and opinion. What it does not allow - quite rightly again in my opinion - is statements which might give rise to action against the site owners and staff for any reason. Substantiated criticism is fair. Personal opinion is fair. Joining as a new member possibly with the sole intention of airing a grievance or taking a swipe at a third party is perhaps not the best form. It takes just a few seconds to use the extensive search functions available to find where all the other comments about Hornby have gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenman Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 This is a dig at RMweb who seem not to like people putting anything on their website that is not 100% pro Hornby. ... Dear God: I don't think you could be more wrong. Have you seen the outrage and conspiracy theories being touted for page after page on this thread to take a single example? You clearly haven't spent any time browsing here; as far as the majority of RMweb posters are concerned, Hornby seems to be the Evil Empire incarnate! Then again, your idea of "asking for assistance" seems to be what I would describe as "venting my anger and frustration, while accusing you of being liars", so maybe I'm just not properly understanding you. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted December 19, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 19, 2013 Dear God: I don't think you could be more wrong. Have you seen the outrage and conspiracy theories being touted for page after page on this thread to take a single example? You clearly haven't spent any time browsing here; as far as the majority of RMweb posters are concerned, Hornby seems to be the Evil Empire incarnate! Then again, your idea of "asking for assistance" seems to be what I would describe as "venting my anger and frustration, while accusing you of being liars", so maybe I'm just not properly understanding you. Paul Very true, Paul. I must admit I was surprised to see the thread title as it's often the case that it appears that Bachmann can do no wrong whereas, at the first hint of misdemeanor, people criticise Hornby. If the OP can be bothered, as both Rick and Paul have said, there are numerous threads (look in Hornby in the Products and Trade area) which prove there is no pro-Hornby bias on here. Reasonable discussion is very welcome on the Forum! Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Not Captain Kernow Posted December 19, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 19, 2013 http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/79897-Hornby-hst-poor-running/&do=findComment&comment=1266731 Would the thread above be the one you think was removed? Is it actually possible you just forgot where you posted it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BoD Posted December 19, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 19, 2013 If some people feel we are biased toward Hornby and others see the bias as toward Bachmann then the balance must be just about right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete 75C Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Well this gave me a chuckle over my morning coffee. I also think you're way off the mark. If you do get "barred", look on the bright side, you've only been a member of RMWeb for 5 minutes. Perhaps if you'd been an active part of the forum for just a little bit longer, you'd know that the bias you speak of is a figment of your imagination. You're just not credible, sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornbyandbf3fan Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Really? Looking at most post, it would seem that Hornby are crucified for nearly everything, even though Bachmann have problems too (where's my J11?) If anything, I would have thought you'd come to the conclusion it's biased towards Hornby based on the criticism they get. The users on here (the majority anyway) don't work for magazines or manufacturers so I fail so see why you'd think it would be biased. Take a look at the thread for the Hornby GWR 2-8-0t's and 2-8-2t's if you still think the Rmweb is biased. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 I get accused of being biased in favour of each of the manufacturers when in reality it has more to do with the writer's perception and whether people are agreeing or disagreeing with their points. As advised by others the original topic is still in-situ - http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/79897-Hornby-hst-poor-running/ - I think an apology is in order in the circumstances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted December 19, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 19, 2013 I also think if you have an issue with Hornby, write to them direct !!! A public forum which they may or may not read, is hardly the correct place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete 75C Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 As advised by others the original topic is still in-situ - http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/79897-Hornby-hst-poor-running/ - I think an apology is in order in the circumstances. I don't think you need to make an apology Andy. Oh wait, you mean the other way round... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyewipe Jct Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Thank you David for raising a hearty chuckle on this miserable morning - I don't even model in 4mm, but even I know that Hornby have been absolutely HAMMERED on here for a variety of issues relating to a variety of models, so I don't think you could have more wrong if you'd tried...Merry Xmas to all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted December 19, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 19, 2013 I'm only adding to the comments already made in RMWeb's defence. 4VEP, Star, etc. You name it, Hornby have had plenty of criticism of it on here! Compare with the press who gave a lot of praise to the Star. It's not easy to moderate a Forum like this and Andy Y puts in a lot of work to keep it as balanced and constructive as possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete 75C Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 You're right. I hadn't really thought about it before, but Hornby have come in for a considerable amount of stick, certainly not from Forum admin but from us lot. Maybe now's the time for a "Honk if you love Hornby" thread...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 This has brightened up a gloomy winter morning NO END. And next on Channel 739, Heljan ate my Hamster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted December 19, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 19, 2013 maybe he should go back to his armchair Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon G Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 This has brightened up a gloomy winter morning NO END. And next on Channel 739, Heljan ate my Hamster. That is what I call real balance - Hornby and Bachmann have been bashed, now time to start on Heljan for eating hamsters? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian J. Posted December 19, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 19, 2013 Hornby bias? You obviously haven't read some of my posts then... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Doh!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 My post has been censored!! Outrage! Er, no, it's here.... Priceless!! Every morning should start this way! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 This has brightened up a gloomy winter morning NO END. And next on Channel 739, Heljan ate my Hamster. Nope, sorry 'Chard; SK has already been there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted December 19, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 19, 2013 Is the OP Boris or Kenton having a laugh, or Simon K himself with a bit of subtle publicity ??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mike Bellamy Posted December 19, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 19, 2013 Unbelievable - how could you show a photograph of a senior member of Hornby's management team and he's not wearing a tie. You won't see Dennis Lovatt dressed like that . . . . . . . . . . . . although I must admit that the photo in the Modeller this month wasn't taken in the last two or three years . . . . . . . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruffalo Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 This beats the BBC news, the time-served weber comments are really brightening my day. As for The Grand Old Duke of York, a collective New a Year Resolution should be to give him a break. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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