RMweb Gold ChrisN Posted February 7, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 7, 2014 (edited) Traeth Mawr My first love really is 009 although if pushed I may say railways of the late Victorian era. I still intend to build the Traeth Mawr and Twll Du railway which runs from the coast up the Naf valley to the town of Twll Du where there is a slate mine. There are exchange sidings for the slate in Traeth Mawr with the Cambrian Railway. Traeth Mawr is 5 minutes by rail north of Barmouth and is a market town and seaside resort. I had never really intended to build the Cambrian Station at Traeth Mawr unless it was part of a bigger layout with the narrow gauge as well but life has intervened. The intervention is….. grand children. The eldest is now nearly four and she has been told about Grand dad's railway. There is no way that children of that age could be let near a 009 layout and as she is the daughter of my eldest son and I have two other sons either married or nearly married I am sure others will be on the way and if one is 'helping Grand dad' then the others will want to as well. Grand children also mean that it must be a roundy roundy. Therefore, I have decided to build a 00 layout which apart from any stock that I can build will also be able to run any R-T-R 4 or 6 wheel stock and maybe something bigger as well. The track will be Peco 100 as I need to get something up and running. To add to the fun it will have to be able to be taken down and put up as the railway room also doubles as a visitor's bedroom. My son has just moved and they have a playroom which he has said that he would quite like me to be able to put my railway up in it. This means it must be transportable. Measuring up the bedroom and their playroom, I can have a layout of 9' x 4'. My car is a Peugeot 308 SW and with the back down, I can get baseboards in of 3' x4' or 5' x 3'6". These are maximum sizes. Hopefully, they will be built in co-operation with my son's father-in-law who is an ex woodwork teacher and has a workshop in his garage. Bored yet? The year is 1895 although the calendar may say anything up to 1914 on it. The Cambrian is running the line but has a few motive power problems. (Basically there are no easy kits or R-T-R engines for the Cambrian and they will take me a while to build). The GWR has therefore exercised its running power to run trains from Dolgelly down the branch to the main line. However they do not stop at Barmouth but run onto the next station of Traeth Mawr. This means the station has to have a bay platform as well as its goods shed and exchange siding. I am assuming that I will have to scratchbuild most of the buildings. The problem with Cambrian coast line stations is that they are long and thin so very difficult to depict without a massive layout. However, it may mean that I am able to get at least the station forecourt, coal merchants and one road in the scenic section which should be the front three feet. I attach the track plan for your thoughts. INDEX Penlan pointed out on another thread that mine was now rather large. It may seem egotistic to have an index but this thread has benefitted from a number of experienced and knowledgeable contributors who have added information concerning life and railways in the late 19th century. It would be a shame if that information was 'lost in the fog'. The index will happen slowly, as I want time to model and as always life will get in the way, and have two parts, hopefully with links to the posts, but if any are missing click on the 'Page' icon above and put the page number in when the 'Go to' function appears. People have told me there is good stuff in this thread, mainly the historical stuff, and most of that is from outside contributors so please read and enjoy. The links now do not work as we have had two changes of software, and is woefully out of date. Modelling Building Plans 2 Baseboard 2, 4, 12, 13, 21 Honeymoon Cottage 3, 15, 22, 25, 31, 79 First Class Coach 3, 6, 9, 10, 11 Parade 3, 5, 8 Baseboard Legs 4, 7, 9 Painting Tweed 5, 9 12 Teacher's Gowns 7 Available Victorian Figures 9 Coach Lighting 10 Tweed Trial 10, 11 Figures 11, 12 2 plank wagons 12, 13, 16 Hornby Clerestory Coach 15 Stadden Station Staff 16, 17 J15 and staff 19 Seaham Tank 20 Aston Goods 20 Cambrian Buffer Stops 40, 41, 88, 89 LNWR Kits 22 Cambrian Coach discussion 22 Chairs for the cottage 23, 24 Varnish discussion 23 Revised track plan 23 Cork laid 24, 25 Types of controllers 25 Making coach roofs 25 Cottage sideboard 25 Shelter 77, 82, 84, 90 Coach Lighting (again) 73 Platform Surface 77 Platform height 75,76 Straw Boaters 77, 82, 83, 84 Station building 77 6 wheel Coach wheels, cleminson etc 20 , 21, 77, 78 Spray painting primer 78 Welsh dresser 78 Cutting point motor 'prongs' 81 Trains Running 83 517 discussion 85 Cambrian Loco discussion 85, 86 Parliamentary Coaches 87, 88, 89 Other 4 Wheel coaches 87, 88 Historical Colours of Victorian Clothing 13 Timetable 1895, discussion on WTT 13 Private Owner/Special Goods traffic 14 Cambrian Wagon Running Numbers 15 Historical Railway Staff Image Links 16 Through Carriage List 1904 18 Marshalling of through Coaches discussion 18 2 Plank wagon at Aberdovey 18 Station Staff Numbers discussion 18, 19 Spiers and Pond Refreshment Rooms 19 Working Time Table 20 Through Carriages 20, 21 Trevor Charlton Kits List 21 Six Wheel Drawings in Mags 21 HMRS Coach drawings 21, 22 Cambrian Tickets 22, 23 Cottage Interiors and St Fagans 26 Welsh Housing 26 Wash houses, outside privy etc, 26, 27 Websites of Pictures of Barmouth, Dolgelley 27 Gas Works Dates 28 Coal for Traeth Mawr, where from with links 28 Front paths and roads 43, 44 MS&LR Coaches 72 Victorian Prisoners, Prisons, Broad Arrow uniform 74, 75 Welsh dressers 78, 79 2 plank wagons 79 Larders in houses 79, 80, 81 House internal layouts from Planning Drawings, 82 Fire Buckets 83, 84 Tank Wagons 84 Astons Advertising 87 Cambrian Green 89 Invisible Green 89 Coach braking 90 Edited July 28, 2024 by ChrisN 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aberdare Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 (edited) Hi Chris I'm looking forward to seeing how this progresses and it's good to see you make a start. Many years ago I was thinking of modelling some of the rural stations on the Western side of Wales due to the variety of stock and buildings around there but obviously I didn't, partly I seem to remember was that I wanted a busier mainline. As I enjoy scratch-building I will be watching your build with great interest. Whatever you do enjoy yourself. oops meant to give you the thumbs up (like) not the tick Edited February 7, 2014 by aberdare 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ChrisN Posted February 7, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 7, 2014 Jim, Thanks, it will be the coast line but it was never very busy in the period I modelled but we shall see. Lots of different wagons and coaches from the Cambrian, the GWR and maybe the LNWR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Donw Posted February 7, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 7, 2014 Interesting idea Chris. I believe LNWR coaches may have come down from Afon Wen to Barmouth and up to Barmouth from Welshpool as well as GWR through coaches. I think Dragon Models do some of the wagons in 4mm The single veranda Brake van would be best for your period. Don 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ChrisN Posted February 7, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 7, 2014 Don, Thank you. Your imput is always appreciated. Dragon Models would be an etched brass kit. Soldering kits is one thing I need to learn but I shall keep a list of what is available. If I do not get to solder then I will be on the road to scratch building without a 2D cutter! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Alister_G Posted February 8, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 8, 2014 Hi Chris, just followed your link from your post in the Lounge. Great to see a thread, and love the ideas you have for the layout. Now all we want are lots of Pictures! All the best, Al. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ChrisN Posted February 8, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 8, 2014 Hi Chris, just followed your link from your post in the Lounge. Great to see a thread, and love the ideas you have for the layout. Now all we want are lots of Pictures! All the best, Al. Thanks Al, There will be pictures once I have something to photograph. I am seeing my son's father-in-law today, (there ought to be a name for the relationship between two F-i-L but there isn't),so hopefully we can discuss baseboards. If we can come up with a plan and the track plan is not altered then I will start building soon and I will have something to photograph. Lots of questions as I go on though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isambard Kingdom Brunel Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 This sounds great Chris, My Grandsons love my layout, but, had to build a Hornby 4 x3 layout to run Thomas around. My BLT is not really to their liking. Amazing how fast Thomas can corner 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ChrisN Posted February 8, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 8, 2014 Thanks Terry, I am sure the most famous E2 in the world will make an appearance, although the most famous saddle tank 0-4-0 certainly will. It will have to do both jobs so I am not sure if the buildings will be glued down or stuck will velcro or just placed. Transpoting it will be fun too although I know that ths is always done for exhibitions I will have to get my head round doing it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted February 9, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 9, 2014 If you are happy with plastic kits, there are models of 2 and 4-plank Cambrian wagons from Cambrian models (http://cambrianmodels.co.uk/wagon_kits.html#gwp, see the Pre-Grouping section) under Great Western Railway as well as the old white metal 2-plank from Model Wagon Co which may still be around. No connection other as a satisfied customer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ChrisN Posted February 9, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2014 (edited) Corneliuslundie, Thank you. I have one or two of the two plank version but the bigger one was not avaiable when I was at the last show where they were and I have not followed it up as I have been doing other things. I intend to study the books I have for what wagons were on the trains and I am very interested in the discussion in 'Welcome to Pre-Grouping about how often foreign wagons turned up which may beuseful. Coaches and locos will be the difficulty. I have some Peter K ones which are brass and a brassmasters Cleminson but I realised the other night, no wheels. I may find a way of glueing it together. Any other sources of kits I would be interested in. I will check out the Model Wagon Co. Edited December 27, 2015 by ChrisN Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Donw Posted February 9, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2014 There is a wonderful picture of Morfa Mawdach (It may be in the Wild Swan book 2) showing a great variety of wagons in the loop of all sorts of railways. Don Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ChrisN Posted February 9, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2014 There is a wonderful picture of Morfa Mawdach (It may be in the Wild Swan book 2) showing a great variety of wagons in the loop of all sorts of railways. Don Don, Thanks, I have just checked it. I have just realsied I do not have Vol 1, probably because it was not on the coast, or worse I have it and cannot find it. (I have C. C. Green's combined 1&2 and the separate versions as I thought they were different!) Oh well, off to look on Ebay and see what's there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Donw Posted February 9, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2014 Volume 1 was the Line down to Aberystwyth Chris. Vol 2 was Up the coast to the bridge and up to Dolgelly sadly Mr Green died and vol 3 Barmouth to Pwlhelli will never appear. Don Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon A Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Peco Code 75 will look better. Gordon A Bristol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ChrisN Posted February 9, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2014 Don, Thanks, I think I was desperate to get to Barmouth so probably did not buy Vol 1 but am now on the look out as any information will be useful. Gordon, I am sure that you are right but I do have some very old stock and once I can get things running I do not want to find that I am having to re-wheel everything before it runs. I have seen several layouts with code 100 which look fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaz Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 This is new, If you can fit in the room 9x4 and the in car can take 3x4 simples 3 of them. The smaller sizes makes it more manageable if you ever move. And fits in the car with more space to manoeuvre. Don't forget photos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ChrisN Posted February 11, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 11, 2014 This is new, If you can fit in the room 9x4 and the in car can take 3x4 simples 3 of them. The smaller sizes makes it more manageable if you ever move. And fits in the car with more space to manoeuvre. Don't forget photos. Jaz, I know you are right and that is what I intended but when I drew it out the joins were under all the points so I have settled on 2 x 4ft 6". The platforms is not that long but it will get a 5 coach train in it, no not 5 bogie coaches but 3 x 6 wheelers and 2 x 4 wheelers, so I cannot move the points and slip closer together and it is not long enough to move them further apart. My room is 11ft 6" long and my sons room is at the minimum about 5ft so that is the restriction. Don't worry as soon as I have anything to photograph I will. (Here are some pictures of plywood. ) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaz Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 I can understand the points are really important, they drive Kal bonkers when he has to cut out wood frame to accommodate. Shall look forward to picture....of plywood....9mm??? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ChrisN Posted February 12, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 12, 2014 Baseboards No one seems to have many comments about the track so I shall move onto the baseboards. This does not mean if anyone still has comments on the track layout that I will ignore it. My intention is that I use 9mm ply and brace it around the edges also with 6" of the same as I have seen that used and recommended on exhibition layouts as being easy to transport. Jaz has asked about the boards being 3' x 4' but this will mean that the board joins are under the points, not a good idea. I also wondered about having the front two boards 3' x 4' 6" so that the scenic area would be on the same boards. This could be transported but it would make it more difficult to store when it is not up. The boards will have dowel lugs to make sure they fit correctly together but the jury is still out how the boards will be attached to each other. At the moment, it is between hinges with removable pins as per BRM 'First Layout' and toggle catches To be transported they will have to be stacked. My first thought was that the 6" deep sides would mean that they would stack over the scenery, then I realised as I lay awake one night that the sides would be laying on the tracks, not a good idea. I know others use a solid backscene to keep various parts of the layout apart for transport but I am not sure that this would work for me. I need to sides to be open so that stock etc can be reached. Perhaps a support of some sort? The type of support would also decide whether the buildings were permanently fixed or just positioned when in use. Not just plonked down but bedded in, perhaps held with Velcro, just not stuck down. Legs are another question. I will probably need one section that is self-supporting that the others connect to. Lots of ideas and questions. Yes, I like making life difficult for myself but it will be worth it. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isambard Kingdom Brunel Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Once the layout is dismantled you could screw boards made from 9mm ply, you could use this to fasten all the boards together Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ChrisN Posted February 13, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 13, 2014 Terry, Thanks. You mean have separate pieces that fit on the sides to keep them together but apart? If I had dowel rods or something as spacers attached to the bottom of the boards to keep them apart that might work as well. I would need to be able to be able to take them out separately and screw them together in the car. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isambard Kingdom Brunel Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 You could bolt an end board to each end of one baseboard then turn it over onto another then the scenery etc is protected 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ChrisN Posted February 14, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 14, 2014 Terry, Yes, thank you. I will have to have a think and draw a plan. I also need to measure the height of the car again, which I did originally and have written but neither my memory or the piece of paper is available at the moment. I will also have to have a think about the highest structure on the layout so I know how tall the ends have to be. Opposite Barmouth there are some three storey terraces which I will copy or do something similar so that should give me an idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aberdare Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Chris When I stored Hemyock I made sure that the tops of the baseboard faced each other and that the back of one lined up with the front of the other, that is hill (back of layout) over river and pasture ( front) and if I ever have to cut it and move again I will do the same. Looking forward to seeing you make a start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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