cromptonnut Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Can anyone tell me the class of DMU on the right of this shot please? http://www.fluidr.com/photos/elmtreephotos/8386550609 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete 75C Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 It looks like a Class 108: http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidhayes/6092183328/ Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share Posted February 28, 2014 It does indeed - I haven't seen one with the front panels - are they headcode blinds? - before hence my confusion. Anyone else agree or disagree? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete 75C Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 I guess they must have been for 2 digit route codes. I must admit I'm more used to "plain-faced" 108s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
multiprinter Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Unlikely to be a 108 as there were none working anywhere near Chard at that period. Almost certainly a 116. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium HillsideDepot Posted February 28, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 28, 2014 I don't think it's a 108, I'm sure the Western didn't get any of those until much later and it has a "P" (Plymouth) set number - shame the number itself isn't clear enough to read. I'd say its a 116.(Beaten to it by multiprinter) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share Posted February 28, 2014 (edited) Although green, these images (of a kit) do show the headcode panels. http://www.easybuildcoaches.co.uk/TOP/DMU%20116.html Edited to add: and bizarrely, a Lego one. http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=534276 Edited February 28, 2014 by cromptonnut Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted February 28, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 28, 2014 Unlikely to be a 108 as there were none working anywhere near Chard at that period. Almost certainly a 116. I don't think it's a 108, I'm sure the Western didn't get any of those until much later and it has a "P" (Plymouth) set number - shame the number itself isn't clear enough to read. I'd say its a 116. (Beaten to it by multiprinter) I think it was when the Pacers invaded the North that the Western first got 108s. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete 75C Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 I've just Googled 116 and that's confusing! They look the same to me... you certainly do learn something new every day! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giz Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Another vote for a 116 here. The other alternative could be a 119 but it looks all over blue and the 119s were blue/grey by then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share Posted February 28, 2014 The Easybuild O gauge kit for a 116 is £545 (plus paint and transfers) - they're at Kettering tomorrow and so am I. Cannot afford right now. Must resist... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim H Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 119 would have been my assumption, but as you say, it looks like it's all-over blue. Other possibility is that the leading vehicle is a 122? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium HillsideDepot Posted February 28, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 28, 2014 I think it was when the Pacers invaded the North that the Western first got 108s. I can't help thinking we got the better end of that deal! Another vote for a 116 here. The other alternative could be a 119 but it looks all over blue and the 119s were blue/grey by then. I wondered about 119, but agree it looks to be all blue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 (edited) Assuming that's a P prefix on the set number, I looked in the 1976 RCTS coaching stock book, which lists P319 as a cl 116 3-car, which would have been blue at that period, otherwise some Cl 119s are the only P-prefix units listed with that style front (I think). Of course the info about date (aug 75 on the linked photo in the OP) might be wrong and likewise the book. Edited February 28, 2014 by eastwestdivide Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Trainshed Terry Posted February 28, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 28, 2014 I think it was when the Pacers invaded the North that the Western first got 108s. I agree with you on that, I feel that it is a 108 DMU as by the time stamp they started to get country wide as newer and more modern rolling stock became available. And consulted the following book which is out of print by now." " A Pictorial Record of British Railways Diesel Multiple Units" by "Brain Golding" Published By "Cheona Publications". Terry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisf Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 If we could blow up the relevant part of the photograph and read the set number clearly it would help. Subject to that my vote would be for 116 since 108s were late comers to the WR. Chris. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share Posted February 28, 2014 If we could blow up the relevant part of the photograph and read the set number clearly it would help. The owner has disabled downloading original images from his album so I have dropped him an email to see if I can find that out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 (edited) I agree with you on that, I feel that it is a 108 DMU as by the time stamp they started to get country wide as newer and more modern rolling stock became available. And consulted the following book which is out of print by now." " A Pictorial Record of British Railways Diesel Multiple Units" by "Brain Golding" Published By "Cheona Publications". Terry It is obviously not a 108 as the photo is dated 1 August 1975. I have no reason to query the date, especially as the original 2 digit headcode is still present. The Western region did not get any Class 108s until the late 1980s. It is therefore a Class 116 or 119. The angle of the photo makes it difficult to tell whether it is all blue or blue and grey. Looking at the width of the digits I would say it is a Class 119, possibly P582 or P583. Edited February 28, 2014 by Flood Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 ...Looking at the width of the digits I would say it is a Class 119, possibly P582 or P583... I think you're right now (contradicting my earlier "Agree"s on the Cl 116 after considering the width of the digits). That 1976 RCTS book has the following as P-prefix Cl 119 sets: P576, P577, P582, P583 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share Posted February 28, 2014 Not sure of a kit for a 119 in O gauge although the 116/117 is available from Easybuild. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 (edited) Not sure of a kit for a 119 in O gauge although the 116/117 is available from Easybuild. It's your layout and as already stated Plymouth had a 116 set. Plymouth didn't keep their units to specific duties so in the 1970s you find either the 116, 118s, 119s or 120s on services to Exmouth, Newquay, Falmouth or St Ives. The only factor that was consistent was the Gunnislake set always had the centre car dropped out but I've certainly seen photos of both 2 car 118s or 120s on those services. There was a morning rush hour service from Exeter St Davids to Honiton and return around 06.30 to 07.30 but Chard Junction is further along the line. The DMU shown could be on a driver training duty. Edited February 28, 2014 by Flood Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share Posted February 28, 2014 It's your layout and as already stated Plymouth had a 116 set. Plymouth didn't keep their units to specific duties so in the 1970s you find either the 116, 118s, 119s or 120s on services to Exmouth, Newquay, Falmouth or St Ives. The only factor that was consistent was the Gunnislake set always had the centre car dropped out but I've certainly seen photos of both 2 car 118s or 120s on those services. There was a morning rush hour service from Exeter St Davids to Honiton and return around 06.30 to 07.30 but Chard Junction is further along the line. The DMU shown could be on a driver training duty. Possibly an Exeter to Yeovil Junction service? My layout is based around 1980ish - a few years after this shot - so I'd possibly be bending reality a bit anyway to feature DMU services. Still, doesn't get round the fact I can't find £545 before I get to Kettering tomorrow... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted February 28, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 28, 2014 First it is definitely not a Class 108 - the picture was taken prior to their appearance in the West of England as it is definitely pre 1982 (and there is no reason in my view to doubt the date attributed to the picture). The set was possibly turning round off the Exeter- Axminster working (or waiting to return to Axminster to form a train from there to Exeter) which operated around that date and which had to go to Chard Jcn to reverse - there were no booked dmu workings to Yeovil Jcn at that time as far as I can recall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 In my mind I did not think there were DMU services from Exeter to Yeovil Junction in the mid 1970s, but I have looked at my 1976 WTT and find the following In 1976 there was 2B58 17.06 Exeter St Davids - Yeovil Junction (18.25) booked to cross the 16.40 Wloo - Exeter at Chard Junction at 17.59. The ECS returned as 5B95 18.29 Yeovil Junction to Exeter St Davids, crossing the 17.55 Exeter - Wloo at Chard JUnction at 18.49. cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorpion Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 looks like a 116 to me, the many door handles and stoppers are visible as a dark line down the side of the unit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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