RMweb Premium OnTheBranchline Posted March 30, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 30, 2014 What sort of engines would Thomas and Friends be if they were all from one Big 4 company?If Thomas and Friends was Great Western:-Gordon would be a Castle Class-Henry would be a Hall Class-James would be a Grange Class-Edward - Bulldog Class or an elderly Saint class-Duck would be a Pannier 57xx (naturally)-Oliver would be a 14xx-Donald and Douglas would be a 28xx/38xx-Percy would be a 42xx-Thomas - either 4575 class with Annie and Clarabel (B set coaches)-Daisy - GWR Railcar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 SR:Gordon: Rebuilt Bulleid Pacific Henry: Lord Nelson Class James: N class or U class Percy: LSWR B4 (Closest I can think of)Thomas: E2 Donald and Douglas: Drummond 700's Edward: T9 Oliver: 2-4-0WT Duck: R1 Stepney: Terrier (Obviously ) Boco: Bulleid Leader Class Neville: Q1 (Obviously, again) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 -Donald and Douglas would be a 28xx/38xx Wouldn't they be Dean goods, or 2251 Collett Goods? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
69843 Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 LNER: Thomas-J50 Edward-D36 Henry-B17 Gordon-A1 James-K3 Percy-Y9 Toby-J70 Duck-J72 Donald-J15 Douglas-J15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted March 30, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 30, 2014 What sort of engines would Thomas and Friends be if they were all from one Big 4 company? If Thomas and Friends was Great Western: -Gordon would be a Castle Class -Henry would be a Hall Class -James would be a Grange Class -Edward - Bulldog Class or an elderly Saint class -Duck would be a Pannier 57xx (naturally) -Oliver would be a 14xx -Donald and Douglas would be a 28xx/38xx -Percy would be a 42xx -Thomas - either 4575 class with Annie and Clarabel (B set coaches) -Daisy - GWR Railmotor So we'd have: Thomas the green engine, Edward the green engine Henry the green engine (nothing new there) James the green engine Gordon the green engine................. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyram Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 LMS (some suggestions, but not a complete range of original characters but a few suggestions for the newer ones too) Thomas - Jinty 3F Edward - Ex Midland Compound. Henry - Black 5 (of course) Gordon - Princess class James - Crab Donald and Douglas - Midland 3F Arthur - Fairburn or Stanier tank. Connor and Caitlin - Streamlined Coronation Hiro - Big Bertha?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodmin16 Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Thomas - class 66 James - class 66 Edward - class 66 Gordon - class 66 Etc etc, ;-) I know not big four but just wanted to raise a smile! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium OnTheBranchline Posted March 30, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted March 30, 2014 So we'd have: Thomas the green engine, Edward the green engine Henry the green engine (nothing new there) James the green engine Gordon the green engine................. Cheers, Mick Possible Great Western names associated with Sodor: Sodor Castle Sodor Hall Sodor Abbey Sodor Grange Sodor Manor Lady of Sodor Saint Wilbert Earl of Sodor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RJS1977 Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 What sort of engines would Thomas and Friends be if they were all from one Big 4 company? If Thomas and Friends was Great Western: -Gordon would be a Castle Class -Henry would be a Hall Class -James would be a Grange Class -Edward - Bulldog Class or an elderly Saint class -Duck would be a Pannier 57xx (naturally) -Oliver would be a 14xx -Donald and Douglas would be a 28xx/38xx -Percy would be a 42xx -Thomas - either 4575 class with Annie and Clarabel (B set coaches) -Daisy - GWR Railmotor Surely Daisy would be an AEC railcar ("flying banana"). Percy would probably be a 1363 class or similar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted March 30, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 30, 2014 Soddem Hall? And BoCo would be a gas-turbine............ Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 If Thomas & Friends were on Tracy Island: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Possible Great Western names associated with Sodor: Sodor Castle Sodor Hall Sodor Abbey Sodor Grange Sodor Manor Lady of Sodor Saint Wilbert Earl of Sodor ... or to take an American term, Sodor Mall...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catkins Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Thomas - class 66 James - class 66 Edward - class 66 Gordon - class 66 Etc etc, ;-) I know not big four but just wanted to raise a smile! Considering the fact that Edward is rather elderly, surely he should be a 37! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 North East Region: Thomas - J72Edward - D17Henry - Raven A2Gordon - A3James - B16Percy - J94Toby - J70Duck - industrial 57xxDonald - J21Douglas - J21 ...altogether a much better list..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Possible Great Western names associated with Sodor: Sodor Castle Sodor Hall Sodor Abbey Sodor Grange Sodor Manor Lady of Sodor Saint Wilbert Earl of Sodor I reckon Sodor Hall is spelt wrongly. Sod'all.....? Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaz Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 So we'd have: Thomas the green engine, Edward the green engine Henry the green engine (nothing new there) James the green engine Gordon the green engine................. Cheers, Mick Green is the new Yellow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 My reaction on reading the title was 'but they are'. Thomas is a small 0-6-0T of obscure Southern provenance.Gordon is clearly a Doncaster pacific.Henry is the Royal Scot story, thus all the rebuilding.James is one of the Scottish inside cylinder 2-6-0 types, possibly the G&SWR class.Edward an East Coast big wheel 4-4-0, possibly a GER Claud or NER R. Percy, the Caley/NBR pug, Y9 on the LNER. Toby a J70.Duck is a 57xx .Donald and Douglas are Caley 812s. That's what I documented in my copy of 'The Three Railway Engines' book and later volumes, sometime in the 1950s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammy Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 If Thomas & Friends were on Tracy Island: Love it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific231G Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Apart from Toby being a tram loco and Duck a GWR Pannier tank (based on one he had on his model railway) the actual stories are fairly vague about the details of each loco apart from their colour, size and whether they were tank engines.I've always thought that the idea behind the original stories was to imagine what the locomotives that a child could in those days see everyday might be thinking and saying to one another, even perhaps to giving each other names, so he probably thought it better not to be too specific and if you ignore the illustrations and just go by the stories you could place them on any British railway you liked.Born in Hampshire in 1911 with a railway enthusiast reverend as a father, Awdry himself would have grown up with the pre-grouping railways so perhaps seeing red, blue and green locos wasn't so unusual.Awdry did build models of most of his fictional locos both for his various model railways and also to help the illustrators. Some of these were freelance but others were based on real prototypes. Some of the locos do become a bit more specific in his later stories, partly to promote preserved railways- Stepney was of course the real loco from the Bluebell line. The original characters, James, Edward, Gordon and then Thomas and Percy were pretty vaguely described in the stories though his models of them were far more specific. There's more about all this here http://www.pegnsean.net/~railwayseries/ffarquhar.htm This site also reproduces (with their permission) all of Awdry's Railway Modeller articles.The Ffarquhar branch (mk1) was Railway of the Month in RM in Dec 1959 and though they were painted and lined to correspond with the books the locos that operated on it quite definitely did not have faces. I wonder if that was something he'd been a bit iffy about even though his own rough sketches to illustrate the stories did include faces.Thomas was an 0-6-0T using an Essar cast body. It was officially an LBSCR E2 but the model seems to have been either freelance from Stewart-Reidpath or a Jinty.Percy was an 0-4-0 ST with a home made bodyToby was an ex LNER Y6 scratchbuilt from official drawings running on a Romford motor bogie. Awdry wrote an article about thisDuck was of course a GWR 0-6-0 PT, a model by "Gaiety" that retained its GWR livery, lettering and number.I did see Ffarquhar mk 2 and had the great good fortune to meet the Rev. Awdry at one of the MRC shows in the early 1960s. It was a fairly simple but effective BLT that he ran to a proper timetable. Ffarquahar mk 2 has been restored and there is a film of it on YouTube here Ffarquhar mk 1 was a folding 6x4 that made very effective use of the space to include a terminus, fiddle yard, reasonable main line run through scenery and a link ("Toby's" quarry branch) to give a continuous run. It was based on an idea by Marice Deane where the fiddle yard is hidden by scenery behind the terminus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Further thought triggered by this: where were the Riddles Standards? First appearance of BR classes in the Awdry ouevre as I recall it are the 'diseasals'. Or has the range expanded to incude 'Clumper' the big 2-10-0 carthorse and others? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 If Thomas and Friends was Great Western: -Henry would be a Hall Class -James would be a Grange Class -Donald and Douglas would be a 28xx/38xx -Percy would be a 42xx I think Henry would be a Manor as they were mediocre steamers when new and only improved after redrafting. James is a 2-6-0 so I think he would be a 4300 class mogul. Donald and Douglas were both 0-6-0s so I would imagine them as 2251 Collett Goods. The 4200s were huge great tank engines for hauling coal, Percy is a much smaller, something like 1340 at Didcot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific231G Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Just to see if it's possible with modern proprietary trackwork I did have a go at reproducing the original Ffarquhar plan in AnyPlan. Awdry used Wrenn trackwork with a minimum radius of 18inches. He doesn't say whether that included the points but they look to be about that I've used small radius streamline points and some setrack to make it easier to draw the tight curves. The minimum radius is 17 1/4 inch but with flexible track I think that could be eased to 18 inches. It does fit onto a 6x4 - just. It would make a change from the usual 6x4 roundy round and with short trains there is good operating potential. For comparison the original plan is included in the article here. http://www.pegnsean.net/~railwayseries/rm-1959-12.htm It could be built almost entirely with Setrack of course. This uses just one length of flextrack to complete the loop at the top Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodmin16 Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 I have always been fascinated the Rev W Awdrys stories and layouts (who hasn't?) for me they encapsulate a world far off from the modern world. Combined with layouts that have represented entire systems rather than snap shots of different parts of the rail network, I dream of building a layout based on something like the Madder Valley, an entire railway system freelance OO (based in the 30s?) standard gauge but using more modern modelling techniques. Unfortunately space and resources are the current restraints, but I can dream. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 What sort of engines would Thomas and Friends be if they were all from one Big 4 company? If Thomas and Friends was Great Western: -Gordon would be a Castle Class -Henry would be a Hall Class -James would be a Grange Class -Edward - Bulldog Class or an elderly Saint class -Duck would be a Pannier 57xx (naturally) -Oliver would be a 14xx -Donald and Douglas would be a 28xx/38xx -Percy would be a 42xx -Thomas - either 4575 class with Annie and Clarabel (B set coaches) -Daisy - GWR Railcar So who's the Fat Controller? Lord Churchill? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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