Dannyboy2891 Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Hi Fellow modellers, This is my very first thread here on here, so I apologize for any mistakes. As a steam age modeller and the liking for all things steam for quite some time now .. it's always at some point or another you come across the diesels and I must admit that not all diesels are to everyone's liking .. but never the less not to be ignored. Just recently having attended a few medium to large exhibitions with fellow club members and on these outings I keep coming across these well modelled Tmd layouts - so now having seen a few on this web forums (Hendre lane& Blista lane) I am very intrigued by these Tmd's and wish to have a go at one myself. I have tried to talk to Tmd modellers at the exhibitions but as always there are many different questions asked at once by lots of people and not enough time or operators to have any form of decent conversation with to fill in my newbie blank diesel/Tmd answers. Which now leads me to the very reason I started this thread .. I am wanting to model a Tmd of my own and really need some help/advice from you diesel fans out there. Firstly I would like to ask what is a Tmd and what sort of functions take place there?. I am a shunting man and do often on my own layouts build more towards the goods aspect rather than passenger, so that's what makes me think I should try out a Tmd layout, as at the exhibitions there were quite a bit shunting of the diesels going on. Secondly my base board size is limited to around 6'x2' or 8'x2' at a push, which is not a lot but its not impossible as the above layouts are great examples of this. And my last question before I make you fall asleep from this Long thread is : In order to make a good quality Tmd layout what should I have on the layout as absolute musts .. I don't want to model a Tmd and then miss out one of the primary functions and then have egg on face if I should come to exhibit the layout at a local exhibition. Many thanks and I look forward to hearing from you. Kind Regards Dan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
porkie Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 All depends on what level of tmd you want. What scale will you be Modelling? A small service tmd may just have a couple of sidings to store loco's between duties and a fuel road for filling up. Or you could have a major tmd which will have various sidings,fuel road and maybe even a loco wash. Their is a good thread on here with some great depot plans for small layouts. Will see if I can find it for you. Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
porkie Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Ive just done a quick search and found a few threads that may help you out. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/56851-factory-lane-depot/ http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=24472 Also have a look at park Lane TMD as I found this very inspiring when planning my layout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy2891 Posted April 7, 2014 Author Share Posted April 7, 2014 Hi Phil, Thanks for your reply, I am sorry I did not mention scale, I am modelling in oo scale. Thanks for the links will check those out in a min. I am not to sure what exact type of Tmd I am looking to do as yet as I am still looking for inspiration .. then once I've got those somewhat bases covered I will jump into a type of Tmd to model. At this point I do like the idea of doing a small Tmd with the shed (1 or 2 roads) and a loco fuelling point.. maybe if room with a couple of sidings for loco's to be stabled or have been stabled and awaiting duties. Does that sound about right?. May I ask what do you model?. Many Thanks to you Phil. Kind Regards Dan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
switcher 1 Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Do you want a 'micro', come in under a road bridge, from a 3 or 4 road sector plate, along side the servicing shed, reverse into the refuelling point track, then forwards into the servicing shed, (one or two tracks). Detail it up, job done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartleymartin Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 If you're into shunting, an Inglenook pattern is ideal as a small layout. They can be as small as 4'x1' in OO scale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Steve Purves Posted April 8, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 8, 2014 This is rather excellent on a 6' x 2' - Junction Road TMD, by John Batley (also of 'dirty pig weathering') Or if you want 'Genesis' of the small TMD layouts have a google for 'Dyserth Road' by Nick Gurney which I believe to be 8' x 2'. This layout spawned innumerable TMD layouts and set the mould for the small DCC sound 'theatre' which is still being used today! Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy2891 Posted April 8, 2014 Author Share Posted April 8, 2014 Hi Mac, Thank you for your reply That sounds like a good idea about entering the layout via a nicely modelled road or possible mainline over bridge. It does seem to be the More popular way of entering from a hidden fiddle yard. I had thought of a sliding style fiddle yard 2'x1' that way I could store up to 8 loco's at any one time and isolate the 2nd row of loco's from the first row. Many thanks to you and always willing as a diesel newbie to listen to further suggestions or advice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy2891 Posted April 8, 2014 Author Share Posted April 8, 2014 Hi Hartleymartin, Many thanks for your reply I sure am a shunting fan, which was one of the main reasons I wanted to embark on this new project. Will surely check out inglenook, think if my memory serves me correctly it was in the railway modeller recently (past couple of years) and was indeed a fantastic layout and a great inspiration to all modellers or non modellers with limited space to model similar project. Once again thank you for your reply and would like to welcome any further suggestions or advice. Best wishes Dan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy2891 Posted April 8, 2014 Author Share Posted April 8, 2014 Hi Stevepurves, Many thanks for your reply cheers for the video .. was certainly food for thought. I have seen Dyserth road Tmd on one of my railway modelling dvd's to which I bought at Warley last November, Indeed a super shunting layout and Very well operated. I must chuck out there though that I am not a dcc fan (I mean no offence). Although I understand the concept of the great system and Many modellers choose it because of all the potential benefits including sound, to which is very appealing .. truth be told that I also have one of the other most expensive hobbies (missus and 2 kids) so cash is limited at times. I am hoping to operate this layout with a few diesels (Lima,Hornby and some Bachmann if in cost reach) at first and then slowly grow my collection to around 10 to 12 loco's when funds allow. Just recently I have been made aware from my fellow club members that there are companies out there that can offer sound devices to fit into dc operated loco's ..so may look into that in the future and hopefully explore that to improve my layout .. thus making it more interesting. Many Thanks to you again and I would like any further advice or suggestions if you should have any. Best wishes Dan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Steve Purves Posted April 8, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 8, 2014 wibble I must chuck out there though that I am not a dcc fan (I mean no offence). Although I understand the concept of the great system and Many modellers choose it because of all the potential benefits including sound, to which is very appealing .. truth be told that I also have one of the other most expensive hobbies (missus and 2 kids) so cash is limited at times. I am hoping to operate this layout with a few diesels (Lima,Hornby and some Bachmann if in cost reach) at first and then slowly grow my collection to around 10 to 12 loco's when funds allow. wibble Hi Dan, Re-wind 12 months and I too would have uttered the above statement. I have a young family (2 boys under 6) and upon returning to the hobby after 10 years started to collect various locos and stock that took my fancy (N gauge) as and when cash permitted. Some might say I saw the light... but I wanted an N gauge Dapol 56 in Loadhaul livery, they only issued that loco as part of a DCC starter set with a Gaugemaster prodigy controller. my plan was to buy the set, de-chip and sell the unwanted parts and keep the loco that I wanted. I had also seen some sound fitted loco's on facebook but thought they would be beyond my reach so dismissed that idea. Then came the re-group, I decided less is more (see toybox in signature), I was to sell a majority of my stock to finance the purchase of chips (20-30 pound per loco) so I now have 4 chipped locos and a DMU. As funds permit I will be slowly turning them over to sound fitted, the extra control given by DCC really blew me away and I can now say I am a convert! My advice to you is don't dismiss DCC, plan with DCC in mind if sticking with DC. The theory is that a layout that works well on DC will work on DCC by just changing the controller. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
porkie Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Hi Dan. I model in N gauge. Also had to downsize from OO. Have a look at my layout Milton Grove Tmd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 I think a pre-privatisation TMD is more convincing. Since privatisation small TMDs have gradually disappeared and they tend to be one FOC only. Obviously exceptions do exist, but if you want to remain convincing AND have a variety of loco types and liveries BR is the way to go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy2891 Posted April 8, 2014 Author Share Posted April 8, 2014 Hi Phil, I started out in N gauge about ten years ago, decided to change shortly after that as I was not happy with the lack of what I wanted to model at that time in N gauge. Since then I have never looked back, but fast forward to today and N gauge is vastly leaped up on par, if not overtaken oo scale on the commercial scale .. good old Bachmann will surely check out what you have been up to shortly, Thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy2891 Posted April 8, 2014 Author Share Posted April 8, 2014 Hi Talltim, Many Thanks for your post, well in slowly gaining more knowledge about Tmd's through great advice from friendly, helpful fellow modellers on this site and video format too. Have you modelled a Tmd or like me certainly thinking/going to do it?. Just one question I would like to ask you, if you don't mind? .. That being, is pre-privatisation the blue diesel period?. If so then I must admit that after many an hour of trawling through books and looking online there are few Good examples of blue diesel - recently mentioned Hendre lane and another is George street. You have certainly thrown a curve ball into the mix of my Tmd ideas, but never the less thank you for you insight :-) Best Wishes Dan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy2891 Posted April 8, 2014 Author Share Posted April 8, 2014 Hi Mickey, Thank you for your post, I have a day off tomorrow so I will make time to sit down and read through the network rail pdf file link you sent me :-) what do you model and how are your project(s) coming along?. Kind Regards Dan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peak experience Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 having a TMD layout doesn't always preclude shunting. fuel in 4 wheel TTA tankers would be a regular job. a pair of snowploughs could provide some interest. having a breakdown crane on hand and various tool vans can provide shunting opportunities. stores van, carry various components would have turned up from time to time as would departmental/infrastructure trains and possible a manager's saloon too. many depots were home to some really interesting and unique items of rolling stock which, if you like the challenge of scratchbuilding/modifying RTR, could bring hours of research and modelling opportunities.. i'm thinking of stock such as steam heat vans/tool vans/internal user vehicles etc.usual elements of a Diesel TMD itself would be a shed with inspection pit(s), a fuel road with covered fuelling pumps and storage tanks, an office building/signing on point a few roads for stabling and maybe a cripple road and or road for breakdown crane. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy2891 Posted April 9, 2014 Author Share Posted April 9, 2014 Hi Peak Experience, Many thanks for your post, Wow you have really opened my mind to the operating potential of a Tmd. But being a complete newbie some of these like the tool vans is all new to me. I do presume that you are referring to 90's and 2000's era diesel modelling?. Which then leads me to ask what sort of vans would the tooling, stores and the departmental/infrastructure vans /trains be (Vga, Vda) ? . Sorry to be a pain. Although come to think of it recently when I was at an exhibition I did happen to come across an Ews inspection saloon car/coach .. which did look Awesome, can I also ask what were they and why did they (Ews or Network rail) use them for?. If you don't mind my asking do you model current day diesel era and do you have a thread on here of your layout?. Many Thanks to you Best wishes Dan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted April 9, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 9, 2014 Hi Dan A couple of my old layouts, these might help if you are wanting model a depot. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/61979-hanging-hill/ http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/62823-pig-lane-or-should-it-be-i-am-sorry/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy2891 Posted April 9, 2014 Author Share Posted April 9, 2014 Hi Clive, Many Thanks for your post cheers will have a good look at your layouts with a keen eye Best wishes and kind regards Dan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy2891 Posted April 10, 2014 Author Share Posted April 10, 2014 Hi Guys, Just thought I would post up that now baseboards have been completed 8'x1'-6" (2 boards for ease of storage) which should make for an interesting layout, I think. As from tomorrow night the roll of lining paper is coming out and by Sunday evening a plan will be done. Now off to scale scenes to download some kits, But before I do I would just like to say a HUGE Thank you to all you guys for your time, patience and Valuable advice .. Cheers Good luck with all your projects Best wishes & Kind Regards Dan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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