B15nac Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Hi I'm thinking to buy a Cambrian GWR crane an I'm after some advice on where to get the transfers I would need? I want it to be in BR livery that I believe would be black! Also there's cast workshop plates an info on the real one an I was wondering if anyone produces these? Any advice would be great. Kind regards Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castle Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Hi Neil, The transfers for this crane are available from Cambridge Custom Transfers: http://www.cctrans.freeserve.co.uk The crane is black in BR and GWR liveries. All the best, Castle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B15nac Posted April 12, 2014 Author Share Posted April 12, 2014 Thanks castle that's great. Would the correct transfers be sheet BL36? Regards Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castle Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Hi Neil, No, the sheet you want is: Sheets S2A & S2B/C - These two sheets cover all of the 4mm. scale BR steam-era wagon kits in the Cambrian range; all the principal variations within the basic diagram are covered. Sheet S2A provides transfers for 73 wagons and covers the appropriate Cambrian kits from C01 - C56 inclusive, plus C96. The wagon diagrams covered by Sheet S2A are :- BR : 1/472, 1/482, 1/483, 1/490, 1/566, 1/586, 1/587, 1/631, 1/575, 1/597, 1/637, 1/640, 1/642, 1/646, 2/900, 2/902; GWR : G41, N30, M4, M5, P15, P18, P20, T12, T13, HAND CRANE & RUNNER; LMS : 19A - 19G, 1829, 2109; LNER : 188, NPCS 6; SR : 1369, 1377, 1379, 1380, 1381, 1385, 1398, 1400, 1578, 1579, 1582, 1772. Sheet S2B/C provides transfers for 75 wagons and covers the appropriate kits from C57 onwards, except C96 (which is included on Sheet S2A). The wagon diagrams covered by Sheet S2B are :- BR : 1/420, 1/472, 1/585, 1/638, 1/645, 1/647; GWR : P22; LMS : 663, 664, 1664, 1666, 1667, 1670, 1676, 1885, 1986, 2131; LNER : 3, 38, 105, 192; SR : 1316, 1347, 1349, 1355, 1375, 1390, 1410, 1426, 1543, 1560, 1598, 1599, 1610, 1761,1775. As many of the wagons covered by these sheets carried regional and area allocation lettering, we have produced six different regional versions of each sheet, so that you can letter your wagons with allocations appropriate to your modelling prototype. (Note that some of the wagons in question were not allocated to every region. Please indicate which region you require when ordering - WR, SR, LMR, ER, NER or SCR. 2mm., 3mm., 3.5mm. & 4mm. scale price is £14.00 per sheet; £28.00 for both sheets. S scale price is £28.00 per sheet; £56.00 for both sheets. 7mm. scale price is £42.00 per sheet; £84.00 for both sheets. NOT AVAILABLE FOR GAUGE 1. PLEASE REMEMBER TO SPECIFY IF YOU REQUIRE SHEET S2A, S2B/C OR BOTH SHEETS, AND TO SPECIFY YOUR REGIONAL PREFERENCE. All the best, Castle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B15nac Posted April 13, 2014 Author Share Posted April 13, 2014 Hi Thanks for the advice castle! Great help Cheers Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted April 15, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 15, 2014 The crane is black in BR and GWR liveries. Hi Castle, Cambrian's instructions say that the GWR livery for the crane was "wagon grey", have they got it wrong? ta Ric Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castle Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Hi Ric, Thanks for pointing that out! Maybe I was wrong? I was going on the basis of the 12 ton hand crane at Didcot but thinking about it, the smaller ex NRM one is wagon grey so I think it is possible that the smaller ones were in grey? Let's open this one up to the floor... All the best, Castle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I can't really help with the OP's question about BR days, other than to observe that black is often mentioned in relation to departmental vehicles. Whilst it is often said that some departmentals were black in GWR days, most of the photographic evidence suggests either normal wagon grey or a darker grey or, very rarely, black. Some late 1800s and early 1900s photos appear to show black but, in many cases it is more likely to be a result of under-exposure. On the other hand, some that appear to be grey may indeed be black or a very dark grey with the photo over-exposed to bring out detail, either in the camera or when printed. Most photos of small cranes and their match trucks in GWR days appear to show normal wagon grey. A similar, though later, crane to that in the Cambrian kit is shown in a 1928 photo in Russell's Appendix.(fig 324). Photos of match trucks on adjacent pages also show wagon grey. Beware, though, several of the other crane photos are in various forms of photographic grey. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted April 16, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 16, 2014 (edited) I've seen so many threads debating the colour of GWR departmental wagons I though it best to check. Especially as I will have a lot of stock to paint up too! Thanks for your input Nick. Edited April 16, 2014 by 57xx Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crichel Down Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 For many years I was under the impression that GWR service stock (cranes, tool vans, etc.) was painted black, but it turns out that this was a BR practice, and that the GWR had painted these vehicles the same colour as their revenue-earning goods wagons - i.e. freight stock Grey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidbr Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 This was debated recently on the DD4 Cordon thread. Black was a BR practice. The GWR painted the vehicles grey which could be quite dark. However, I understand Permanent Way department vehicles (such as ballast wagons and brakes) were painted black. As the crane in question is a light one, presumably moving between goods yards for the most part, it would not belong to the PW dept. and would not, therefore, be painted black. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidR Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Slightly off-topic: what colour were Engineering Dept coaches (Clerestory and 4-wheelers etc.) painted in GWR days? Incidentally, I've assembled the Cambrian crane and it looks great. Best to add some hidden weight to easy running. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 ...However, I understand Permanent Way department vehicles (such as ballast wagons and brakes) were painted black... Again, this is often claimed, but there is precious little evidence. Look at the photos of the P diagram series of PW opens and hoppers in Russell's Appendix and Atkins et al. There are very few examples there that could be claimed to be black. The case for PW brake vans in black or dark grey is rather more convincing. However, many of the photos that appear to be very dark are from about 1890 to 1910 and show a rather high contrast so some of the effect may be down to film type and exposure. Indeed, in some cases it would be hard to argue against them being red. Slightly off-topic: what colour were Engineering Dept coaches (Clerestory and 4-wheelers etc.) painted in GWR days?... By the twenties they were usually a variant of the brown vehicle livery, brown with black underframes and red ends. It's possible that they had always been brown, though I don't know when the red ends appeared. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbles2 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Some pictures from the Forest of Dean Rly a couple of years ago. [/url]">http:// [/url]">http:// [/url]">http:// [/url]">http:// [/url]">http:// [/url]">http:// [/url]">http:// and my Cambrian crane [/url]">http:// [/url]">http://http://s62.photobucket.com/user/Debe2233/media/MODEL%20STUFF/DSCN4049.jpg.html'> 7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B15nac Posted April 18, 2017 Author Share Posted April 18, 2017 Hello Restarting a old thread here just wondered if anyone has a close picture of the GWR metal instruction plates fitted to these cranes I'm hoping to get some etched ones made for mine but I'm not sure what they say? Kind regards Neil 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted April 18, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 18, 2017 Restarting a old thread here just wondered if anyone has a close picture of the GWR metal instruction plates fitted to these cranes I'm hoping to get some etched ones made for mine but I'm not sure what they say? If you consider getting multiple etches done, I'd been interested in a set. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 (edited) Hello Restarting a old thread here just wondered if anyone has a close picture of the GWR metal instruction plates fitted to these cranes I'm hoping to get some etched ones made for mine but I'm not sure what they say? Kind regards Neil DELETED - incorrect information. Regards, John Isherwood. https://www.cctrans.org.uk/products.htm Edited April 19, 2017 by cctransuk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B15nac Posted April 19, 2017 Author Share Posted April 19, 2017 I ordered the transfer sheet off you s2a but didn't see those plates on there? This was about 3 years ago though Regards Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 I ordered the transfer sheet off you s2a but didn't see those plates on there? This was about 3 years ago though Regards Neil Neil, Sorry, you are quite correct - I was confusing this crane with the BR(WR) Booth crane (Airfix / Dapol), for which I do provide full plate transfers. I will have to see whether I have enough photographic coverage to add the plates to the GWR hand crane set. Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 I ordered the transfer sheet off you s2a but didn't see those plates on there? This was about 3 years ago though Regards Neil I would like to correct the omission of the various cast hand crane plates from my transfer sheet for Cambrian kits. Unfortunately, the Dean Forest crane is rather too far away for me to visit. If anyone lives close-by, I would be grateful for some photos of the various cast instruction plates - there seem to be quite a lot! The photos need to be dead square-on with the lettering legible, and a dimension measured for each plate would ensure total accuracy. It is apparent that the big lifting limit plate on the counterbalance has had some of its wording blacked-out; it will be important to be able to read this blacked-out lettering. If anyone can help, I'll see what can be done in the way of providing transfers for the cast plates. Regards, John Isherwood, Cambridge Custom Transfers. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B15nac Posted May 31, 2017 Author Share Posted May 31, 2017 Here's a few photos of the crane completed with the transfers from Cambridge Custom Transfers. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbles2 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Here's a few photos of the crane completed with the transfers from Cambridge Custom Transfers. Are the cast plates transfers or painted? If transfers are they now an addition to the Cambrian Kits transfer sheet or are they available separately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Are the cast plates transfers or painted? If transfers are they now an addition to the Cambrian Kits transfer sheet or are they available separately. They now come with Sheet S2A - but can be purchased separately by customers who have previously purchased S2A. Order Sheet S2C-4mm., and include an SAE plus an additional first class stamp; alternatively £1.50 via BACS or £2.00 via Paypal. Regards, John Isherwood, Cambridge Custom Transfers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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