Midland Railway Cattle Wagons

[Garethp8873]

Hello, a friend of mine is doing some wagon restoration work for me and one of these wagons is a Midland Railway Cattle wagon. I have asked him to paint it up in LMS Bauxite and it is to have the post 1936 lettering on it. However he needs some photos. Anyone able to help?

 

Many thanks!

Gareth.

[macgeordie]

Hi Gareth

 

Try LMS wagons volume 1 by R.J.Essery, page 30.  It does however state that the final batch of cattle wagons was built in 1935 and it is unlikely that any of the wagons were repainted into post 1936 bauxite.

 

Ian

[Garethp8873]

Thank you Ian, I was however looking for information on the livery of Midland Railway Cattle wagons.

[macgeordie]

Hi Gareth

 

I looked in the Midlands wagon books and there is nothing regarding post 1936 livery. The point I was making with the LMS wagons was that if they wern't repainted into post 1936 livery it is unlikely that any of the Midland ones would have made it into this livery either. I'll look through my other wagon books to see if there is anything else on these wagons that I can find.

 

Cheers

Ian

[57xx]

Try LMS wagons volume 1 by R.J.Essery, page 30.  It does however state that the final batch of cattle wagons was built in 1935 and it is unlikely that any of the wagons were repainted into post 1936 bauxite.

 

 

Wrong page Page 26 shows the Midland derived cattle wagon in bauxite livery circa 1937.

 

I'll PM you more details Gareth.

[macgeordie]

I was under the impression that the upper wagon on page 26 was an LMS design as the lower central door has 3 planks and the Midland design which was almost identical and shown in the lower picture only had 2 planks on the lower door. There are a couple of pictures on page 53 of the Cheona Publications book British Railway Wagons number 5, Cattle and Brake vans as well which illustrate this. As 57xx points out though, the livery shown is probably the one you are looking for as the earlier livery had LMS in much larger letters, with one letter in each of the three left hand panels.

 

Ian

[57xx]

Indeed, hence why I said it was Midland derived. This may be one of the D1840 diagrams referred to in the text on page 24, which itself was a derivative of D1661 which was originally a Midland diagram. There is reference to the "small variations which generally centred around the depth of the drop doors" so it could even still be a variation on D1661. So even though they were built by the LMS, they are essentially MR wagons.

 

Ric