johny retro Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 does anybody know if Bachmann (or anyone else for that matter) has any plans to release class 507's or 508's. there are several southern units out now as well as heritage and modern image dmu's. but as far as i'm aware nobody has ever produced ready to run 507/508 units, despite the fact they've been serving liverpool and the wirral since the late 70's and are very similar to the 313's which ran out of kings cross. i know several kits have been produced but these units would be a nice addiction to the rtr unit market, esp being dragged by a 73. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted October 17, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 17, 2014 Bachmann haven't announced a 507/8 so the answer, at least for the moment, is no. Not aware of any other manufacturers producing one either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny retro Posted October 17, 2014 Author Share Posted October 17, 2014 shame that. don't get me wrong, i'm definitely more of a locomotive fan. but the odd unit adds something to a layout. they're like backing singers, haha. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 They're also pretty similar to the Class 314s in Strathclyde and Class 315s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny retro Posted October 17, 2014 Author Share Posted October 17, 2014 exactly. so it wouldn't take much retooling to cover all the similar variants. i know they're not the most glamorous or respected trains ever, but 150's are dreary and Bachmann have sold loads of them! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickL2008 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 But bear in mind, the limited operations, 150s, found in north west, north east, central, and south west England and Wales, 507s/508s, limited use with Silverlink on the WCML, and the Merseyrail ones only to be found in the northwest, so really if you compare the two, the 150 seems/ed a better choice, and its a nice modelNL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny retro Posted October 22, 2014 Author Share Posted October 22, 2014 yeah, but it's still a 150 lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 i wouldnt place to much reliance on any suggestions that certain models are unlikely to be produced these days on the basis of a perceived or actual limited area of operation, few numbers or liveries, short careers and so on. not these days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 The way other gaps are getting filled up it must only be a matter of time before attention turns to units like these and where there is a family of very similar units dotted around the country it can only make it more likely Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_stevens Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 But bear in mind, the limited operations, 150s, found in north west, north east, central, and south west England and Wales, 507s/508s, limited use with Silverlink on the WCML, and the Merseyrail ones only to be found in the northwest, so really if you compare the two, the 150 seems/ed a better choice, and its a nice model NL Don't forget that all 43 of the 508's were initially used on the Southern Region (early 80's) and we have had some come back down south again in Connex, Southeastern Trains, South Eastern and SilverLink liveries.There wouldn't be any overlap with BIL's or HAL's but they could go with VEP's and CIG's as well as Networkers. The 508's have more livery versions and ave been more wide spread than most people think. There is a new kit of a 313/508 from Ayjay Models http://www.southernregionmodels.co.uk/ Luke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny retro Posted October 23, 2014 Author Share Posted October 23, 2014 they look like fairly decent kits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_stevens Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 they look like fairly decent kits. George Dent of ModelRail fame did and article on building one of their HAL kits and found it a bit of a struggle. http://georgedentmodelmaker.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/tin-hal-under-way.html and Modelrail185. With the 508's having less complex body detaisl like door handrails and the like, things should be easier. You might want to use one of the Replica Railways amazing chassis (no connection, but pleased customer) http://www.replicarailways.co.uk/die-cast-chassis Luke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny retro Posted October 23, 2014 Author Share Posted October 23, 2014 i suck at kits, i'm too impatient lol. but weathering and adding a few details to a nice rtr one would make me very happy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_stevens Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 i suck at kits, i'm too impatient lol. but weathering and adding a few details to a nice rtr one would make me very happy. I met the chap from Southern Region Models at an exhibition and he's happy to build them for customers. Have a look at the website and drop him an e-mail. Luke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickL2008 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Don't forget that all 43 of the 508's were initially used on the Southern Region (early 80's) and we have had some come back down south again in Connex, Southeastern Trains, South Eastern and SilverLink liveries.There wouldn't be any overlap with BIL's or HAL's but they could go with VEP's and CIG's as well as Networkers. The 508's have more livery versions and ave been more wide spread than most people think. There is a new kit of a 313/508 from Ayjay Models http://www.southernregionmodels.co.uk/ Luke Yes depending on what era you model, IIRC they gained the new owner livery as well, NL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnMartin90125 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I devised and led a project some years ago to bring out a RTR/kit 507/8 based on some resin bodies another firm had done for 313s etc but the firm doing the bodies (and vinyl sides) went under soon after the project got underway, a shame really, the bodies were excellent. We never received any decorated samples so have basically nothing to show for my efforts. At least we didn't lose money on advertising and so on other than some fliers in the shop. The only thing needed to be tooled were the bogie sides as we didn't have the resources to fund a completly tooled up model. In a way, the delays to the Replica Railways underframes probably did us a favour. An oportunity that arose and sank almost as quick as it appeared! There was quite a bit of local interest but cannot say if modellers doing other regions would want them. Would love it if Bachmann, for instance, did a high spec 503 but can't see it myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny retro Posted October 23, 2014 Author Share Posted October 23, 2014 sorry to hear that. what a shame. i know what you mean about 'local' interest. as has been pointed out though, they've become more spread out nationally in recent years (including 313's) and we've also had a few one offs in the rtr world which have proved to be popular. i bet if Bachmann or Hornby released a few 313/507/508 units with decent glazing and different liveries there'd be a surprising amount of interest. not just for those modelling southport or kings cross, but other areas too. especially down south on commuter lines. and i think 502's and 503's would be big sellers too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted October 24, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 24, 2014 Just to make life complicated the middle cars on 313's are completely different to the rest of the family with different window arrangements at one end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny retro Posted October 24, 2014 Author Share Posted October 24, 2014 i didn't know that, don't know much about them. just that they're similar. still, 507's and 508's cover enough of the network to run along side other units etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Just to make life complicated the middle cars on 313's are completely different to the rest of the family with different window arrangements at one end. I didn't know that, are they different to the other AC units 314, 315 or just different to the DC ones 507/508? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Theres probably as much chance of a RTR Merseyrail 507/508 as there is for an Altrincham-Manchester or early Bury- Manchester EMU, but of course we can live in hope!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 I didn't know that, are they different to the other AC units 314, 315 or just different to the DC ones 507/508? 315s are 4-car units. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny retro Posted October 24, 2014 Author Share Posted October 24, 2014 Theres probably as much chance of a RTR Merseyrail 507/508 as there is for an Altrincham-Manchester or early Bury- Manchester EMU, but of course we can live in hope!! i bet they'd sell too. i'd also like a blue/grey 304 but that's a bit off topic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted October 24, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 24, 2014 But weren't one of the classes built as 4 car sets for the Southern region, 507's IIRC. The extra trailers had to be removed so that the 507's would be able to run as 6 car sets on Merseyside and are still running around in one of the sub classes of 455. So presumably a model of a PEP type unit would be able to be configured in any of the different types with only 2 bodies, a driving car and a trailer car to mould with possibly a removable/replacement section of roof for the pantographs and possibly some alternative sets of underframe equipment to cope with the transformers for the AC/dual voltage units. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 But weren't one of the classes built as 4 car sets for the Southern region, 507's IIRC. .... and are still running around in one of the sub classes of 455 Indeed, those TSOs were originally in the 43 Class 508s when new. They are still running round in 455/7s with South West Trains. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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