RMweb Premium newbryford Posted November 4, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 4, 2014 Thanks to Alex Hall on the demu forum: Network Rail have completed the purchase of freight yards from DB Schenker, Freightliner & GB Railfreight. The press release is here and gives links to diagrams of the yards. Although some of them aren't the clearest and often they are large areas, they may be useful to those wishing to model a current day freight yard. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Yes and the Track Section Managers are rejoicing at the prospect................................ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 96701 Posted November 4, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 4, 2014 Yes and the Track Section Managers are rejoicing at the prospect................................ And the E&P Engineers - all those lovely lamps in such good condition........... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vin Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Hi all, I notice Leeds Marsh Lane is on the plans. Wasn't this site sold to a property developer after being auctioned off in September? Do network rail just want the rusting siding and rubbish struen access line? Regards Vin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian daniels Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Ok so who own Didcot, did they overlook us? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vin Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Where is Westbury as well? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted November 4, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 4, 2014 Ok so who own Didcot, did they overlook us? Where is Westbury as well? I don't think all yards have been sold to NR. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted November 4, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 4, 2014 The West Yorkshire ones are interesting. Marsh lane looks as if it's the unused part, not the stone terminal. The Stourton Industrial etsate is the two former rail served steel warehouses that last saw traffic in i think the 80's. There is also a protected corridor that means that the sidings could be reinstated and could actually serve the Royal mail sorting centre so perhaps someone is thinking strategically. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westie7 Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Inverurie Timber yard was sold off but I don't know who to, as its not on this list either Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidR Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 I note, with interest, that NR have purchased the site of the ex.M&GN goods yard (which now houses an oil terminal) and the ex.GE goods warehouse (that houses a motor cycle museum and builders supplies), here in North Walsham. I wonder what their plans are, as EWS wouldn't sell, when they owned the latter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted November 4, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 4, 2014 From a look at the Western sites and some of those in Wessex it basically seems that the sites are those which have been leased to private operators - and will in fact continue to be so (along with them having responsibility for maintenance. In many respects it seems a logical way of doing things as they are not yards actually used as such by the freight operators and in most cases (Acton might be an exception and there could be others) they link directly to NR infrastructure. It seems from what isn't listed that the freight operators have retained their operational yards which they use for train staging/marshalling etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Well all those 750,000 new homes have to built on something.......................... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted November 5, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 5, 2014 Just to put things straight, NR (and Railtrack before them) HAVE ALLWAYS OWNED THESE YARDS. All that has happened is that NR have bought out the 99 year leases the freight operators were granted back on privatisation in the case of some sites (the ones still under the FOCs remain leased from NR). Also the yards / depots sites themselves plus are still classed as strategic railway land and cannot be disposed of to developers without going through a rather cumbersome process involving public consultation and the ORR so as to ensure said land as no potential for further railway use thus selling off for housing (or any other non railway development is no way as easy as it was in the days of British Rail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted November 5, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 5, 2014 Ok so who own Didcot, did they overlook us? Your site remains owned by NR (just as it has been since Privatisation.)The GWRs lease it, and IIRC have recently agreed a longer lease period for the future allowing further certainty and making further significant investment in the site more viable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher125 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Your site remains owned by NR (just as it has been since Privatisation.)The GWRs lease it, and IIRC have recently agreed a longer lease period for the future allowing further certainty and making further significant investment in the site more viable. IIRC they signed a 50-year lease back in 2013. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted November 16, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 16, 2014 From a look at the Western sites and some of those in Wessex it basically seems that the sites are those which have been leased to private operators - and will in fact continue to be so (along with them having responsibility for maintenance. In many respects it seems a logical way of doing things as they are not yards actually used as such by the freight operators and in most cases (Acton might be an exception and there could be others) they link directly to NR infrastructure. It seems from what isn't listed that the freight operators have retained their operational yards which they use for train staging/marshalling etc. Quite right, Mike. The yards that have come back to NR on the Western were from both DBS and FLHH, although the former much outnumbers the latter. They have a variety of statuses - some continue to be leased to the original lease holder (eg. Fowey Docks, which continues to be leased to Imerys, albeit now directly leased by NR, rather than sub-leased by DBS). Imerys remain responsible for all operational and maintenance activities down there. There is a single road in Burngullow Yard in the same status. The pasty from the shop in Par on the day of those site visits was very tasty. Larger yards such as St Blazey and Tavistock Jct remain with DBS. Elsewhere in the London area, there are one or two yards where NR has a more direct involvement, although I can't comment in detail, as those are off my patch. There are also a few locations in the Bristol area that have been returned to NR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
class"66" Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Ive noticed "Bescot TMD is getting pulled down now,DB dept signs have been taken down... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted November 17, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 17, 2014 Ive noticed "Bescot TMD is getting pulled down now,DB dept signs have been taken down... Bescot is indeed being demolished. I believe a simple "tin shed" and fuelling point similar to that at Doncaster will take its' place. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBMRG Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Good day. Following the posts above, it looks like "Salfords Redhill" has recently had some work to may be clear the site for reuse. Thanks for the original posts and subsequent ones. Very interesting. Kind regards, GBMRG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianusa Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Larger yards such as St Blazey and Tavistock Jct remain with DBS. Don't know if that's good or bad. Think turntable! Brian.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted November 18, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 18, 2014 Good day. Following the posts above, it looks like "Salfords Redhill" has recently had some work to may be clear the site for reuse. Thanks for the original posts and subsequent ones. Very interesting. Kind regards, GBMRG The big stumbling problem with Salfords is the site became so contaminated with spilt aviation fuel in the late 70s (when tanks were erected there to supply Gatwick), large bits of the site are a big no no for any sort of investment because whoever does that will have to pick up a huge clean up bill (digging down several meters, installing protective membranes, disposing of the contaminated earth etc). Unsurprisingly therefore despite the site having potential for development (either railway or otherwise) anybody taking a cursory look soon runs a mile when they discover what sort work is involved. The site clearance you refer to may have more to do with the fact that over the years various criminal elements had used the site as an ideal fly tipping location (particularly after the aggregate terminal ceased operating), causing serious problems for the houses near the site and leading to NR being prosecuted and fined by the environment agency. While there have been various attempts to restart aggregate traffic, any significant new flows will require complete replacement of most of the track within the yard plus the construction of a new access road as the current road entrance (shared with the station) is off some narrow residential backstreet and not suitable for intensive use by lorries particularly out of normal business hours operation is needed thanks to the intensive BML services. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
synthnut Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 The big stumbling problem with Salfords is the site became so contaminated with spilt aviation fuel in the late 70s (when tanks were erected there to supply Gatwick), large bits of the site are a big no no for any sort of investment because whoever does that will have to pick up a huge clean up bill (digging down several meters, installing protective membranes, disposing of the contaminated earth etc). Unsurprisingly therefore despite the site having potential for development (either railway or otherwise) anybody taking a cursory look soon runs a mile when they discover what sort work is involved. The site clearance you refer to may have more to do with the fact that over the years various criminal elements had used the site as an ideal fly tipping location (particularly after the aggregate terminal ceased operating), causing serious problems for the houses near the site and leading to NR being prosecuted and fined by the environment agency. While there have been various attempts to restart aggregate traffic, any significant new flows will require complete replacement of most of the track within the yard plus the construction of a new access road as the current road entrance (shared with the station) is off some narrow residential backstreet and not suitable for intensive use by lorries particularly out of normal business hours operation is needed thanks to the intensive BML services. Well, it looks like a little bit of rail served industry is coming to Surrey of all places. Historically there's been a fair bit of it in the Redhill/Reigate areas with quarrying and sand traffic, both ceased but now with a new lease of life for the Salfords sidings. Day Aggregates are building an"incinerator bottom ash recycling plant" and a "hydraulically bound mixtures" plant with a rail transfer station. They've done all the ground surveys I think and it's been approved as far as I know. Day are no strangers to rail transfer and have a number of other operations in Surrey too. I think this is really very positive, they even talk of 90% though-put via rail! http://beta.dcservices.co.uk/Aggregates/article/1299055/Secondary-recycled-aggregate-production-approved-rail-linked-site-Surrey/ http://mycouncil.surreycc.gov.uk/documents/s13437/Final%20Salfords%20Report%20PR.pdf I'm going off to do some more hunting about the history of this little area again now, from the comfort of the sofa at least... TTFN, Ben (edited due to missing a chunk of text out!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Days work closely with Foster-Yeoman, I believe- I think Days had a terminal at Brentford which was one of the first rail-served aggregate terminals in the London area, back when it was all conveyed in BR tipplers and hoppers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted November 19, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 19, 2014 Days work closely with Foster-Yeoman, I believe- I think Days had a terminal at Brentford which was one of the first rail-served aggregate terminals in the London area, back when it was all conveyed in BR tipplers and hoppers. Days and Yeomans effectively had what amounted to a joint operation at Brentford and I think Yeoman took product off the site in their own name/vehicles at one time. It was definitely Yeomans' first terminal in West London (says he without checking) as I'm fairly sure Acton came later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted November 19, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 19, 2014 Think turntable! Some of us are, Brian, funny you should have mentioned this...! Not to worry, the longer term plan is still being progressed... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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