Steve O. Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Hi, One for the horologists out there... My young lady found this and thought I might like it for Christmas. It's a reproduction but is it a decent copy or completely made up? http://www.restorationhardware.com/catalog/product/product.jsp?productId=prod1578022 Cheers, Steve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted November 11, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 11, 2014 Well if it's based on something 19th century as the advert says it would predate the LNER by at least 23 years, and I don't think it ever ran to Kensington. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 I think it looks nice. Clearly the Restoration Hardware advertising copy is bollox. Not 19th century, and unless I'm mistaken, not "Kensington Station". i wonder if it comes with a key? I have a small AA battery clock with the GWR shirtbutton roundel on it. It looks nice - not quite as 'distressed' as this one. It looks like this one, only it's smaller and cheaper. From our friends at lner,info, here's an LNER station clock. From an auction site, here's a ex-GNR clock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon s Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 I have this one. It doesn't set out to be real as it has a battery and quartz movement and seems to be made from a compressed MDF. Looks the part, but can't recall how much I paid for it or where I got it from. I think it was sub £50. I'll have to do some searches... Similar to this. http://ellisclocks.com/lner.htm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Some people are really into railway clocks. There's lots of really interesting information about originals here:http://www.railwayclocks.net/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohmisterporter Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Thanks for that link there is some fascinating stuff on there. When you see the price of a fully restored genuine railway clock it comes as no surprise that there are fakes on the market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted November 12, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2014 Some people are really into railway clocks. There's lots of really interesting information about originals here: http://www.railwayclocks.net/ At those prices it's no wonder they used to get nicked from signal boxes when there were still original ones about. Years ago one disappeared from Aynho Junction which was 24/7 except for Christmas Day. By Boxing day morning it had gone, nothing else in the box was touched. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted November 12, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2014 At those prices it's no wonder they used to get nicked from signal boxes when there were still original ones about. Years ago one disappeared from Aynho Junction which was 24/7 except for Christmas Day. By Boxing day morning it had gone, nothing else in the box was touched. Some prices are amazing - I had my ex-signalbox clock valued a few years ago and nearly fell off my perch when I heard the numbers. I paid £2/10/0d for it in 1963 and despite having quite a high GWR register number it is pretty old. As for that peculiar thing in the OP it looks like a Franklin Mint job with far more imagination than style or authenticity I'm sorry to say. There was, AFAIK, no 'Kensington' station anywhere on the Big Four network let alone the LNER - the nearest equivalent was Kensington (Olympia) in west London although it didn't receive that name until 1946 when it was altered from its long standing name of Addison Road. Interestingly the only one of the Big Four companies - or their constituents - which never ran timetabled passenger trains to it was the LNER. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sheep Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 If you like it and are happy with it knowing it's not 100% accurate then enjoy, I'm on the look out for an LMS one in a 30's style. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted November 12, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 12, 2014 Hi, One for the horologists out there... My young lady found this and thought I might like it for Christmas. It's a reproduction but is it a decent copy or completely made up? http://www.restorationhardware.com/catalog/product/product.jsp?productId=prod1578022 Cheers, Steve. I thought it was expensive for an imitation, but then I saw it in the last photos that its huge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted November 12, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2014 Many years ago at an exhibition there was someone selling reproduction, well, they had letraset on them, one was for 'Malton - Great Northern Railway' I pointed this out and the next day it said 'Malton - North Eastern Railway'... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium TheQ Posted November 12, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 12, 2014 I bought a 2ft and a bit diameter Clock for £9.99, in one of the cheap stores B+M?, it has a steel frame glass front and a cheap battery mechanisum, It wouldn't take much work by almost anyone on here to make a good representation of a railway clock from it. Mine sits on the little tower on the roof of my railway shed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted November 12, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 12, 2014 I bought a 2ft and a bit diameter Clock for £9.99, in one of the cheap stores B+M?, it has a steel frame glass front and a cheap battery mechanisum, It wouldn't take much work by almost anyone on here to make a good representation of a railway clock from it. Mine sits on the little tower on the roof of my railway shed. Yeah, I've got something similar. Not a problem as its not being an sold as a genuine item, IMO. That's where the real deception starts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chameleon Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Looking at that collection of old clocks makes me really want one! Pity they cost about £2k each tho... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted November 12, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 12, 2014 Many years ago at an exhibition there was someone selling reproduction, well, they had letraset on them, one was for 'Malton - Great Northern Railway' I pointed this out and the next day it said 'Malton - North Eastern Railway'... So did you then buy it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted November 13, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 13, 2014 So did you then buy it? No, it really was crap! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve O. Posted November 14, 2014 Author Share Posted November 14, 2014 Many thanks to all for the responses. Much appreciated. Those real clocks (thanks for the above link) are beautiful but pricey! Undecided right now whether to buy it or not. It is a 'big un' and would make a great impression / conversation piece. I may have to invent a new fake story to go with it, maybe it was "from Newcastle Central Station and still carries soot from A3s, A4s and Deltics before it was removed in 1984." ) Cheers, Steve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 45156 Posted November 14, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 14, 2014 I am a clock enthusiast in an earlier life, and did considerable research into English Dial Clocks (the generic name for what get known as station clocks, school clocks, office clocks, etc). Most signal box clocks were 12" dial with a key wound fusee movement which ran for eight days. Booking office clocks were the same. Some were smaller at 10" and there were some bigger ones sometimes in public areas. There were also some drop dials with a case below the dial, which had a longer pendulum. Most were timepieces, that is to say, they didn't have a chime. Many railway clocks were made by Walkers and had a pretty standard movement, though some had a slightly superior movement made by Thwaites and Reed . In the current secondary market, a good example with a railway provenance commands a premium, and can be expected to fetch upwards of £1000 depending on the age and other details and with drop dials fetching even more. For non-railway clocks, the prices are a bit more reasonable, in the current market up to £500 for an early 20th Century example, with older examples depending on rarity going for up to £2k. I'm quoting probable auction prices and not retail, and restoration costs and markup can push these up a fair bit. What you've highlighted appears to be a replica of a clock which would have been located on a station concourse, rather than in an office or signal box, and the size supports this. However, I can't actually say what prototype it is based on' Hope this helps. Stewart edit - I typed this before I looked at the links mentioned, so some of the info from the other sites is repeated here. Here's a picture of mine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted November 15, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 15, 2014 I bought a 2ft and a bit diameter Clock for £9.99, in one of the cheap stores B+M?, it has a steel frame glass front and a cheap battery mechanisum, It wouldn't take much work by almost anyone on here to make a good representation of a railway clock from it. Mine sits on the little tower on the roof of my railway shed. Places like TK Maxx sometimes have such things as "railway" and other similar themed clocks at not unreasonable prices Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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