Derekstuart Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Russ, Alan, Ray as discussed. A new home away from Bachmann 101's for our increasingly o/t discussion of the North Riding. (Note to self: must ask kind moderators if they can move over post 420 onwards from 101 discussion) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Sidelines Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Hi Derek A new home away from Bachmann 101's for our increasingly o/t discussion of the North Riding. Good idea Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted November 13, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 13, 2014 Found you chaps Does anybody have a picture of the signal at the end of the Guisborough station branch, this is supposed to be a gas lit colour light. I have a photo of the box diagram but for some reason i can't post attachments Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YK 50A Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Hi, Different Alun, I was the one that posted about 107s in the "other" thread. Subscribing to this out of interest, not sure I will be able to contribute very much, and also I want to see what happens with this project of yours - will be quite remarkable. For now, I'm sure you've seen the disused stations entry for West Cliff (with a fine picture of an early 3 car 101) and the other stations on what became the Teesside to Whitby line. Also a 104 and a later 101 at Guisborough, and possibly my favourite place on earth, here and here for 108s and another later 101 at Robin Hoods Bay. Is this the class 03 on a demolition train? Good luck, Alun 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted November 13, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 13, 2014 The 03 is on a pick up. I don't think mainline locos were ever used on this Goods services finished about 63 64 before the passenger service which ended 6th March 1965 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted November 13, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 13, 2014 Here's the 03A SENTIMENTAL JOURNEY (WHITBY - SCARBOROUGH) (196…: 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted November 13, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 13, 2014 Notice the unusual livery green with yellow buffer beams and double arrows Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YK 50A Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 (edited) Very nice, been a while since I've seen it, not sure whether I noticed the double arrows or not! The Scarborough and Whitby Railway would be sustainable these days, hindsight and all that. I do intend to walk the line sometime, but I've been saying it for a few years. Alun *** EDIT - a typo, as per *** Edited November 13, 2014 by alunhughes 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted November 13, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 13, 2014 A 03 was used to pull the "contractors estimator train" for the people who were bidding to dismantle the line. Its shown on the Marsden video complete with Alan Smith a very well known 3mm modeller who arranged for the line to be "removed". Some of the line is getting close to the edge in places with a lot of damage on the way up to Ravenscar from RHB. baz 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derekstuart Posted November 13, 2014 Author Share Posted November 13, 2014 Hello everyone. Russ, G567281 (Alan) is probably the best person to ask about that I think. Alun, thanks- after looking at photo's of the 2 side beside, yes they are quite different. It makes those "a dmu is a dmu" type models of the 1980/90s look somewhat dated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Cram Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Found you chaps Does anybody have a picture of the signal at the end of the Guisborough station branch, this is supposed to be a gas lit colour light. I have a photo of the box diagram but for some reason i can't post attachments There are photos of the signals in Hoole's Branch line termini book but they are all semaphores. One photo is 1959 which is after passengers services ceased. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derekstuart Posted November 13, 2014 Author Share Posted November 13, 2014 Russ I found pictures of that 03 at Holt station... I think it would be rude not to re-number a Bachmann example and make it a future resident Whitby pilot- it is famous (or INfamous perhaps) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest G567281 Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Russ, Alan, Ray as discussed. A new home away from Bachmann 101's for our increasingly o/t discussion of the North Riding. (Note to self: must ask kind moderators if they can move over post 420 onwards from 101 discussion) Many thanks Derek. Regards Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted November 13, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 13, 2014 That 03 is owned by a friend. But two more of my friends are trying to buy it from him and move it backup north and restore it to how it appears in the film. It was also one of the last 03s to get wasp stripes as i have seen a photo of it at york in 66 in plain green Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derekstuart Posted November 13, 2014 Author Share Posted November 13, 2014 Well I have a couple of BR20T brakevans on the workbench right now (planned to superdetail of course) as they are a good way to get "back into it". My local shop has a 03 in stock.... I can have my first proto-typical train. I will just need the layout to stick it on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted November 13, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 13, 2014 There are photos of the signals in Hoole's Branch line termini book but they are all semaphores. One photo is 1959 which is after passengers services ceased. The passenger service to Guisborough lasted until 1964, it was cut back from Loftus in 1960 after which the line between Guisborough and Boosbeck saw very little use but didn't officially close until 1964 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derekstuart Posted November 13, 2014 Author Share Posted November 13, 2014 Can I ask an opinion of people please- there seems to be a good cross section of people here. For those who don't know, I'm planning a 35-40ft long P4 layout of Whitby. No compression. No compromise and everything as close to accurate as possible (except for a few bits I deliberately chose to be different such as building the whole goods shed, rather than post-war version etc). I have been out of this for 20+ years and have never done finescale before. Though I have just built my first points (OO as I had the stock) without problem. I am still not happy with ballasting and want to keep practicing until I can get it looking "just right" as the NER cinder "ballast" is a key part of the location. The rest is a bit of a mystery still, but I'm a quick learned. I had planned to build a series of small modules to test the many elements (12*18" etc) and I have done a couple to varying degrees of success and will do more until I get it how I want it. My question is: Can this really be done in this way or should I develop a small, (freelance) design that encompasses all the elements I need as a half way house between planks and a full layout? You can practice on cheap disposable planks, but does it "look" right when finished? You don't really know. I am well aware that what I am planning is a big task for an individual and it will take years, so better build proper foundations etc. Hope that all makes sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest G567281 Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Found you chaps Does anybody have a picture of the signal at the end of the Guisborough station branch, this is supposed to be a gas lit colour light. I have a photo of the box diagram but for some reason i can't post attachments Hi Russ, The signals to which you refer are likely 22 and 26, these were colour lights I believe. I do not believe I have any reference pictures but I will take a look. The earlier twin bracket NER slotted post at the platform end was removed and replaced with an upper quadrant during the mid 50's. Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derekstuart Posted November 13, 2014 Author Share Posted November 13, 2014 The passenger service to Guisborough lasted until 1964, it was cut back from Loftus in 1960 after which the line between Guisborough and Boosbeck saw very little use but didn't officially close until 1964 Forgive my ignorance, but the Guisborough line joined the Esk Line (as we now call it) at Nunthorpe Junction didn't it? I don't know that area very well but distinctly remember being told by my Dad that "we're passing the site of XYZ junction to ABC" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted November 13, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 13, 2014 Forgive my ignorance, but the Guisborough line joined the Esk Line (as we now call it) at Nunthorpe Junction didn't it? I don't know that area very well but distinctly remember being told by my Dad that "we're passing the site of XYZ junction to ABC" That's correct Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted November 13, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 13, 2014 Hi Russ, The signals to which you refer are likely 22 and 26, these were colour lights I believe. I do not believe I have any reference pictures but I will take a look. The earlier twin bracket NER slotted post at the platform end was removed and replaced with an upper quadrant during the mid 50's. Alan Thats right Alan, i have seen a sectional appendix entry regarding these signals in fog and falling snow. They appear on the box diagram as red arms but with a black outline ring around them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted November 13, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 13, 2014 Can I ask an opinion of people please- there seems to be a good cross section of people here. For those who don't know, I'm planning a 35-40ft long P4 layout of Whitby. No compression. No compromise and everything as close to accurate as possible (except for a few bits I deliberately chose to be different such as building the whole goods shed, rather than post-war version etc). I have been out of this for 20+ years and have never done finescale before. Though I have just built my first points (OO as I had the stock) without problem. I am still not happy with ballasting and want to keep practicing until I can get it looking "just right" as the NER cinder "ballast" is a key part of the location. The rest is a bit of a mystery still, but I'm a quick learned. I had planned to build a series of small modules to test the many elements (12*18" etc) and I have done a couple to varying degrees of success and will do more until I get it how I want it. My question is: Can this really be done in this way or should I develop a small, (freelance) design that encompasses all the elements I need as a half way house between planks and a full layout? You can practice on cheap disposable planks, but does it "look" right when finished? You don't really know. I am well aware that what I am planning is a big task for an individual and it will take years, so better build proper foundations etc. Hope that all makes sense. I would say it depends on how much time you have to spare? The full fat version would be superb, but there is a hell of lot of points to construct. How about starting with a post 84 layout that didn't get as rationalised as it did? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derekstuart Posted November 13, 2014 Author Share Posted November 13, 2014 I will be doing the whole version completely- that's beyond doubt. I think to produce the post 84 version would still be a lot of work- still would be 35+ft long etc. And most of the scenic would be the same. I was thinking more along the lines of a couple of 8*4ft boards. ie lay the track on these and when I'm 100% happy with them, start laying them on Whitby. The same applying to all the stages- using the small layout as a practice run (or something to exhibit if I can get it good enough).I manage a bus company, so space is not an issue for me. The building is 100ft long and I have a bit allocated, plus a spare office. I think I am going to have a go at the smaller one first- "Hawsker East" or "Hawsker on Sea" or something. A couple of pairs of points, single platform and encompassing smaller versions of all the things I need to do for Whitby. It's really important to me to get Whitby "just right".PS. As for points, counting a tandem as 2 and a scissor as 4 (equivelant to 2 and 4 times more work respectively) there are in excess of 35 pairs of points (perhaps 40 depending upon which era I select for the yard/Endeavour Wharf. I BELIEVE most are B7 or B8 so I can make a jig (engineering skills are ok with me- even if not specifically model railway skills). To make matters worse, I am using handmade track (C&L) rather than yards of flexi. And those pieces are likely going to be cut to 180mm lengths so that I can get the joints and the sleeper spacing right at the end. Click click, click click, click click... just like the real thing. Even so, it's a project of some years work- hence a first go trial having only 2 points on it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest G567281 Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Can I ask an opinion of people please- there seems to be a good cross section of people here. For those who don't know, I'm planning a 35-40ft long P4 layout of Whitby. No compression. No compromise and everything as close to accurate as possible (except for a few bits I deliberately chose to be different such as building the whole goods shed, rather than post-war version etc). I have been out of this for 20+ years and have never done finescale before. Though I have just built my first points (OO as I had the stock) without problem. I am still not happy with ballasting and want to keep practicing until I can get it looking "just right" as the NER cinder "ballast" is a key part of the location. The rest is a bit of a mystery still, but I'm a quick learned. I had planned to build a series of small modules to test the many elements (12*18" etc) and I have done a couple to varying degrees of success and will do more until I get it how I want it. My question is: Can this really be done in this way or should I develop a small, (freelance) design that encompasses all the elements I need as a half way house between planks and a full layout? You can practice on cheap disposable planks, but does it "look" right when finished? You don't really know. I am well aware that what I am planning is a big task for an individual and it will take years, so better build proper foundations etc. Hope that all makes sense. Hi Derek, For me I have just started a test layout in the form of Kiltonthorpe Junction in order to get my modelling skills back. Time period is 1958 to 1964, although I am currently using the earlier track layout as I don't know when the diamond crossing was removed. After the closure of the Boosbeck to Hutton Junction section in 1960 the signalling at Brotton was modified and the Kilton mines branch was worked as one siding with the remaining line used for wagon storage. The Boosbeck pick used the other line. Initially my test track will be a sixteen foot long diorama. I primary model in O gauge but my test layout is EM gauge. I started with C& L but have switched to Exactoscale using the thicker sleepers. Casting sand seems to be a good material to simulate ash ballast. I follow the Blackgill layout as an inspiration. Modelling a prototype can be very pleasure and frustrating too. Going back to your question regarding the three way turnout at Whitby, the drawings do not give the turnout types. Sometimes I use the NER white prints in combination with photos to estimate what they are. This is what I did for Kiltonthorpe Junc, so t's scale length. Regards Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted November 13, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 13, 2014 If your doing late 80s why not do Hawsker potash mine? The actual station but with a couple of exchange sidings, and assume the wagons were brought to and from the sidings by private locos. Excuse for a sentinel or even a 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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