380John Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Hi guys, I'd like honest opinions please as I'm not quite sure what to do with this one. I guess it's a case of what's it worth?...... Iv always wanted a flying Scotsman for the layout and have been tempted a few times but always used funds for something else. The twin tender versions have always appealed but as I say funds are usually spent on something else. Anyway last month one of my crew members (I'm a tugboat skipper) came and told me a relative of his has a huge oo gauge collection he is parting with. Long story short I went to meet him yesterday. His collection is huge! To say the least. Amongst it all is a R075 1993 limited edition twin tender Scotsman. Iv done a bit of research and see only 2300 were made. The box is still sealed and been kept in a dry place away from sunlight. He has said its mine for £120. Question is what's it worth?! Is it Worth 120 quid due to condition and future value, or is it a dated (21 year old) model and not worth it by modern standards? Iv seen 2 online. One go for £140 and one for £180. One is there at this moment on a popular auction site for £200. Opinions please guys Many thanks, John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ryde-on-time Posted December 8, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 8, 2014 Doing an advanced search on Ebay shows they have sold for prices from £68 upwards (Although the box was a bit tatty on that). Price seems about comparible for Ebay for a mint/ mint boxed one so it depends how important the box is. I also think they were the tender drive version?, more modern releases are loco drive and are more detailed? (although I don't think they have done a twin tender one) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyman7 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 If you are a collector and after a mint and boxed example of the 1993 release, then £120 may be what you'd want to pay. If you're after the most accurate 00 model rendition of Flying Scotsman, then you'll want to avoid this model, as it's the Margate-made tender drive version which has a charm of it's own but does not match up to the China-made superdetailed models made post-2000. I certainly wouldn't buy it on any assumption of future value - it's important that whatever you buy, the price is right for what you want when you buy it. If looked after, it will never be worthless, but at the point of sale it will only be worth what someone is willing to pay, and the 1990s Hornby Railways period isn't a particularly vintage one - there are some perfectly adequate models but it's not a hotbed of collecting activity, and unlikely to be so in the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JohnR Posted December 8, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 8, 2014 Ramsay's guide says that 2800 were produced (and a very similar one made for Great Universal Stores had 2000 produced in the same year), and that an excellent unboxed one is valued at £110, while a Mint Boxed one is £150. £120 seems a good price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vespa Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 There was a twin tender loco drive version made with a Pullman obs car in the condition as it was ready to go to the US. This had the cow catcher fitted R2953.... http://www.oliviastrains.com/trains/model-trains/Hornby-steam/Hornby-steam-class-a1a3/Hornby-a3-class-4472-flying-scotsman-in-lner-green-livery-usa-tour-ltd-ed-r2953/ If you want it without in all LNER green then it is a tender drive version. There is also a double tender version with the extra tender in BR corporate blue grey with Flying Scotsman Enterprises on the tender. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
380John Posted December 8, 2014 Author Share Posted December 8, 2014 Hi guys, Thanks for your responses. Hmmm some good points raised. On my current layout I have insulfrog points. Most locos are fine but I wouldn't want to part with £120 to be pushing the loco over points. I very much like to get older locos at a bargain and service/repair them but I wouldn't want to add extra pickups to this particular model. Would this possibly be a Staller at slow speeds over insulfrogs? At least if I part with £120 for an up to date model I know I want have this problem. With that said £120 is a lot to pay for a loco lacking accuracy which may stall every few seconds? Cheers, John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vespa Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Why not just have a single tender Scotsman or the new Hornby A4 Bittern with double tender. I am sure that the tender driven version will be fine on your track but it is really not super detailed. I have a display case of 6 versions of FS and a couple of super detailed later loco drive versions. However I have stopped buying the variations as it morphs into something LTD edition every time at a cost. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Bernard Lamb Posted December 8, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 8, 2014 Ramsay's guide says that 2800 were produced (and a very similar one made for Great Universal Stores had 2000 produced in the same year), and that an excellent unboxed one is valued at £110, while a Mint Boxed one is £150. £120 seems a good price. If you are a collector of old toys that might be the case. If you are interested in model railways and operating them, then around£140 for a current A3 represents far better value. I know which choice I would make. Bernard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
380John Posted December 8, 2014 Author Share Posted December 8, 2014 If you are a collector of old toys that might be the case. If you are interested in model railways and operating them, then around£140 for a current A3 represents far better value. I know which choice I would make. Bernard Sounds like a fair assessment. Thanks to all of you for the help. The bittern twin tender looks a beaut and a possible option. I know a FS isn't a difficult model to source and I guess I could have a detailed version for this money. Although it would go to a good home, I can't say I'm a collector in the sense that I keep unopened models. I run what I have and buy for that very reason. Thank you very much guys, Kind regards, John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyman7 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 You are correct that a twin tender loco drive scotsman has not been commercially made Not from Triang/Hornby, but Trix made one in 1969 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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