bridgiesimon Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Hi guys, a little help needed if possible. I want to respray one of my class 37s as 37402 in the double grey livery - http://wnxx.com/images/scrap/plog-content/images/class-31-to-class-37/class-37-37401-37431/37402-bescot-290705-richard--judy.jpg What colours should I be using for this machine? Am I right that the upper side and the roof are both the same darker grey as the roof on a triple grey machine? What about the lower sides, it looks different to the standard triple grey colours. Any help most appreciated. Best wishes Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Is the upper grey the same colour as was used on the Parcels Red livery and later RES on Class 08/47/86 & 90? The lower grey almost looks more like executive light grey as used on Intercity Executive locos and coaches (and Scotrail and Trans-Pennine) The exact colours must be written down somewhere, but that's probably the colours I'd start with Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Infact is it all that different to IC Mainline livery without the red and white stripes and the colour split being higher up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugsley Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 The link above isn't working, but I presume we're talking about when it was painted like this: https://www.flickr.com/photos/97686289@N08/10413538094/sizes/h/ I can't remember why exactly, but this loco was repainted with whatever was to hand -a graffiti attack, possibly? The lower body is Executive Light Grey and the top is most likely to be Falcon Grey (the RES colour mentioned above), also used for the later Intercity swift/swallow livery. Note from this pic: https://www.flickr.com/photos/37260/14656101219 That the roof was still Executive Dark Grey (a bit faded) from the previous triple grey livery. HTH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridgiesimon Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 Interesting and useful images and information, most appreciated so Exec Dark Grey roof, and then Falcon grey over executive light grey on the sides. Awesome. Thanks guys!!! Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAndy Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Simon, this is a very handy little guide as supplied by Fox Transfers: http://fox-transfers.co.uk/paint-guide cheers Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAndy Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 The link above isn't working, but I presume we're talking about when it was painted like this: https://www.flickr.com/photos/97686289@N08/10413538094/sizes/h/ I can't remember why exactly, but this loco was repainted with whatever was to hand -a graffiti attack, possibly? The lower body is Executive Light Grey and the top is most likely to be Falcon Grey (the RES colour mentioned above), also used for the later Intercity swift/swallow livery. Note from this pic: https://www.flickr.com/photos/37260/14656101219 That the roof was still Executive Dark Grey (a bit faded) from the previous triple grey livery. HTH Lower bodyside is Rail Grey - Upper Body is Flint Grey and the roof is Executive Dark Grey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugsley Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Lower bodyside is Rail Grey - Upper Body is Flint Grey and the roof is Executive Dark GreyNo it isn't - look at the Intercity liveried coach behind the loco in this pic: https://www.flickr.com/photos/97686289@N08/10413538094/sizes/h/ The lower body is the same colour. Rail Grey is less brown - here it is in an earlier guise: https://www.flickr.com/photos/16819691@N08/7427373722/sizes/h/ The lower body is the same colour as the Regional Railways coach behind, which is Rail Grey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatheringMan Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 No it isn't - look at the Intercity liveried coach behind the loco in this pic: https://www.flickr.com/photos/97686289@N08/10413538094/sizes/h/ The lower body is the same colour. Rail Grey is less brown - here it is in an earlier guise: https://www.flickr.com/photos/16819691@N08/7427373722/sizes/h/ The lower body is the same colour as the Regional Railways coach behind, which is Rail Grey. Hi, Reference your comment on the Regional Railways coach lower side. The colour used on Regional Railways coaches and locos for the lower bodyside was NOT Rail Grey. In 'Provincial' days the colour was 'InterCity Light Grey' but following the change to RR the colour changed to Silver Grey - a completely different colour in the BR Spec.81 paint catalogue. Silver Grey is a much colder colour and more 'blue' whereas Rail Grey is a warmer more 'brown' tone. InterCity Light Grey was actually more of a 'fawn' colour and was a special BR specified colour (as was the I/C Dark Grey) not being taken from any 'standard' paint colour range. Any other information that differs is simply wrong - I have in my possesion the complete BR painting specification and paint order numbers for the mentioned liveries. Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatheringMan Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Hi, Reference your comment on the Regional Railways coach lower side. The colour used on Regional Railways coaches and locos for the lower bodyside was NOT Rail Grey. In 'Provincial' days the colour was 'InterCity Light Grey' but following the change to RR the colour changed to Silver Grey - a completely different colour in the BR Spec.81 paint catalogue. Silver Grey is a much colder colour and more 'blue' whereas Rail Grey is a warmer more 'brown' tone. InterCity Light Grey was actually more of a 'fawn' colour and was a special BR specified colour (as was the I/C Dark Grey) not being taken from any 'standard' paint colour range. Any other information that differs is simply wrong - I have in my possesion the complete BR painting specification and paint order numbers for the mentioned liveries. Regards Hi, Having looked at the Fox guide I note that it says that the London & South East 'Jaffa Cake' livery used InterCity Light Grey for the lower sides of coaches. Again this is totally incorrect. This livery used a colour in the BR Spec.81 catalogue that was called LSE Light Brown. This was a completely different colour to the I/C colour. It is missinformation like this that can ultimatly result in historical record being corrupted. Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
class"66" Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 37402 train load freight... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridgiesimon Posted December 13, 2014 Author Share Posted December 13, 2014 That is the one, a very different livery to the normal selection of liveries at the time. I have another question about this machine, on several of the images, I can see a yellow logo of some sort on the end furthest away from the number, any ideas what it is? I cannot zoom in enough to see it on any piccie I have found. It is nearest to the camera on the piccie above posted by 'class "66"'. Best wishes and thanks again guys Simon Ok, just thought, is it a small EWS logo? Best wishes Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugsley Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Ok, just thought, is it a small EWS logo?Yep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugsley Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Hi, Reference your comment on the Regional Railways coach lower side. The colour used on Regional Railways coaches and locos for the lower bodyside was NOT Rail Grey. In 'Provincial' days the colour was 'InterCity Light Grey' but following the change to RR the colour changed to Silver Grey - a completely different colour in the BR Spec.81 paint catalogue. Silver Grey is a much colder colour and more 'blue' whereas Rail Grey is a warmer more 'brown' tone. InterCity Light Grey was actually more of a 'fawn' colour and was a special BR specified colour (as was the I/C Dark Grey) not being taken from any 'standard' paint colour range. Any other information that differs is simply wrong - I have in my possesion the complete BR painting specification and paint order numbers for the mentioned liveries. Regards I stand corrected. They are very similar colours though! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wirey33 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Any other information that differs is simply wrong - I have in my possesion the complete BR painting specification and paint order numbers for the mentioned liveries. Any way you can share that specification with us ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatheringMan Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Any way you can share that specification with us ? Hi, The BR paint catalogue would only be of use to a modeller in that it lists the BR Spec.81 Item numbers for all the colours used prior to privatisation by BR. These colours are of course freely available from the 'authentic' paint suppliers so the actual BR Item Number in the catalogue are mostly irelevent to a modeller. The actual specification for the paint colour, ie, the actual 'recipe' to produce any given colour was in the hands of the actual paint manufactures who worked to closely controlled limits. What would perhaps be more useful to modellers is a guide to the actual useage of individual colours written with reference to the information in the several BR documents dealing with the various liveries. This could be done but would probably require several weeks work to compile and whilst it would be very worthwhile posting on RMWeb I feel it should be published in an additional form to hopefully reach a wider audience - the question is where and in what form. Yes i'd be willing to look at doing the work but due to personal matters and other comitments, both modelling and otherwise, I could not consider starting the work until at least next summer. However in the meantime i'll be more than happy to do my best to answer queries posed on RMWeb. Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
class"66" Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Ive just done 37402 as project,but used normal grey railmatch colours.. Wil post picture soon... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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