RMweb Premium OnTheBranchline Posted December 23, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 23, 2014 So often we hear about how such and such is inaccurate about a loco when it's produced in OO form. Comments can range from "the chimney is the wrong type" to "there are too many spokes on the wheels". That made me think, what are some of the most accurate (relatively speaking) OO locos offering done by the manufacturers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted December 23, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 23, 2014 Does it matter? If a model is produced that is of no interest to me, how important is it to me? Not much really, so its all relative. Edit OK so a couple of you don't understand my comments. Take it another way. If the prototype modelled doesn't interest me, does it matter how accurate the end result is, as I probably won't be buying one anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 That made me think, what are some of the most accurate (relatively speaking) OO locos Surely, it's the ones that have been converted to P4...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Horses for courses if you like a model and you are happy who really cares if it is not totally accurate? It is only a model and everything in life is a compromise ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YK 50A Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 In contemporary times, the Limby Deltic gets my vote! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfsboy Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Not in 00 but H0 Blackstone Hon3 take some beating .Look at the price and you will understand why errors creep into the cheap and cheerful 00 models we buy and moan about being to expensive . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
railroadbill Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Well, many posts complain about inaccuracies (see Hornby 4-vep thread for example!) so selling such items is obviously a crime against humanity itself. :-) Seriously, I think this is an interesting topic and I'd suggest the Dapol oo gauge Western as a very accurately shaped model that had a lot of research and development done on it and remains the definitive model Western. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Well, I suppose in pure pedantic terms the most accurate RTR steam locos would have to be chosen from the 'live steam' versions. All the others have electric motors in the boiler/firebox area (and some in the tender) which rules them out immediately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenser Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 The current Hornby A4 must be a candidate, and the Bachmann LMS twins is presumably a nomination from the blue box team. Large long lived classes are probably not going to qualify because of the scope for detailed variation. How does the Hornby L1 rate? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted December 23, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 23, 2014 On the diesel front the Heljan Hymek. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Surely, it's the ones that have been converted to P4...... Name of topic: The most accurate OO RTR locos ever? If it's been converted to P4 then it is no longer a OO model The Hornby Class 60 has previously been described as a pretty accurate model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forester Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 So often we hear about how such and such is inaccurate about a loco when it's produced in OO form. Comments can range from "the chimney is the wrong type" to "there are too many spokes on the wheels". That made me think, what are some of the most accurate (relatively speaking) OO locos offering done by the manufacturers? Accurate in what way? Overall body shape? Level of detail? Chassis representation? (since none of them have frames and almost none have inside motion/detail, and they are all the wrong gauge anyway.) Accuracy with painting and lining? Or matching the livery to the modification state? Clearly the most accurate bodies are the ones that have been scanned from preserved examples............. Or are they? Not necessarily, because preserved locos are often modified for loading gauge purposes or because parts are frequently used from other locos which may not be entirely appropriate. And most are paired up with the wrong tenders! Some of the most accurate locos are also the ones that also have the most obvious flaws. Poor or wrong chimneys are a good example. Or an excellent model can be produced in the wrong livery or numbered inappropriately and get a bad review which clouds its overall accuracy. And what to do with an "inaccurate " model? Some can be transformed by simple fixes (replacing the chimney on the Bachmann Nelson with a brass one). Others can never be fixed because the proportions are just wrong (GWR fireboxes). Finally, do we see these models with a dispassionate eye anyway? If it's your favourite loco it will look great to you however inaccurate it is! My favourite has never been produced in 00 (Unrebuilt MN) so over the decades I've made do with many, many different representations: Scratch-builts, rebadged BB/WCs, kits of various quality and construction skills, and repaints of dubious finish. But you know what?....... ................ they all looked absolutely brilliant to me ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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34theletterbetweenB&D Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 If it's an OO assessment then that means with the gauge and coarser than scale wheelset compromises ignored. Then you have to decide what is going to be assessed, the applicable measurements for each category and the standards for evaluation; and also how you proportion different categories of assessment against each other, and then combine them to arrive at a final 'accuracy' grading that can claim some objectivity because it is standardised. I do this for myself, because I am interested in gauging manufacturer's progress. The best OO locos that I have had hands on, and the data to assess: NRM/Bachmann DP1, Hornby's Thompson L1 and O1, Heljan's disc headcode class 23 (I suspect that the Hymek is in the same class) which make a low 60's% rating. Most 'good' UK RTR locos come in at 20 - 30%. Quite a number get a big fat zero. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YK 50A Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 I prefer and still own (and my son runs - converted to DCC) the Airfix version. In my opinion, a quite remarkable model, bearing in mind it's nearly 40 years old. It even sounds like a diesel! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddys-blues Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 That Heljan Railbus thingy in RTC livery !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Name of topic: The most accurate OO RTR locos ever? If it's been converted to P4 then it is no longer a OO model Therefore 'accurate' and '00' mutually exclusive? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YK 50A Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Therefore 'accurate' and '00' mutually exclusive? However anyone dresses it up, they're all toy trains, regardless of scale and accuracy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edcayton Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 If it's an OO assessment then that means with the gauge and coarser than scale wheelset compromises ignored. Then you have to decide what is going to be assessed, the applicable measurements for each category and the standards for evaluation; and also how you proportion different categories of assessment against each other, and then combine them to arrive at a final 'accuracy' grading that can claim some objectivity because it is standardised. I do this for myself, because I am interested in gauging manufacturer's progress. The best OO locos that I have had hands on, and the data to assess: NRM/Bachmann DP1, Hornby's Thompson L1 and O1, Heljan's disc headcode class 23 (I suspect that the Hymek is in the same class) which make a low 60's% rating. Most 'good' UK RTR locos come in at 20 - 30%. Quite a number get a big fat zero. I think that's unfair. Most current rtr loco's are pretty darn good. What would you give zero to? Ed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 However anyone dresses it up, they're all toy trains, regardless of scale and accuracy. Too right -- Just another thread for people to froth about their favourite toys....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YK 50A Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Too right -- Just another thread for people to froth about their favourite toys....... There's much worse ways for a big kid to enjoy himself (or herself of course), as I'm imagine you will agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickL2008 Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Maybe so, but their our toys that we like to butcher, alter, rename, renumber, repaint and so on... NL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edcayton Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Maybe so, but their our toys that we like to butcher, alter, rename, renumber, repaint and so on... NL Well, I used to repaint Dinky cars etc (so not "worth a fortune" any more), and build bangers into Airfix plane kits to re-create crash scenes. Ed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarryscapes Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 I think that's unfair. Most current rtr loco's are pretty darn good. What would you give zero to? Ed Anything from Hornby that still uses the standard 0-4-0 or 0-6-0 chassis, that's got to be an instant zero! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Bernard Lamb Posted December 23, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 23, 2014 The current Hornby A4 must be a candidate, and the Bachmann LMS twins is presumably a nomination from the blue box team. Large long lived classes are probably not going to qualify because of the scope for detailed variation. How does the Hornby L1 rate? However Brassmasters make detail parts to improve it. Bachmann prototype Deltic does it for me. The L1? Very highly. A toss up between this and the new K1 in respect of steam locos from what I have seen. The Q1 would rate right up there if the loco-tender coupling could be more easily shortened Bernard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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