guard_jamie Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 With Hornby's announcement of LMS PIII non-corridor carriages, I am wondering how the LMS operated these in day to day service. Were they generally made up into fixed sets of standard or differing lengths? Which carriages made up the different sets? Where did the sets operate - did some consists operate in one city, others elsewhere? Or were the carriages used in a fairly disorganised hotch potch manner - in which case what would be prototypical? Yours hopefully... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leander Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Three coach sets were pretty typical so you might get a Composite © flanked by two Brake Thirds(BTs). However on the Preston-Southport line in the 1950s until closure in 1964, the typical branch set was made up of a Third (T), BT and a C. Both LMS period 3 non-corridor and BR non-corridor coaches were used together fairly indiscriminately. Excursion sets were made up of nine coaches (BT,T,T,T,C,T,T,T,BT) on the Central Division (ex-LYR lines) though these could include Period 1, 2 or 3 coaches, BR non-corridors and even pre-grouping vehicles LNWR, LYR or MR) randomly mixed in a "hotch potch manner". So in answer to your questions: Yes See above Yes, but they certainly weren't confined to cities, lines might be a better word. In terms of what is prototypical, go from photos taken in the area and at the dates you are modelling, to get things right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
guard_jamie Posted January 3, 2015 Author Share Posted January 3, 2015 Thanks for that Leander, much appreciated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted January 3, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 3, 2015 This shot from New St in 1958 shows a three coach non-corridor train. http://www.warwickshirerailways.com/lms/lnwrbns_br1994.htm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwich station Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 This shot from New St in 1958 shows a three coach non-corridor train. http://www.warwickshirerailways.com/lms/lnwrbns_br1994.htm A nice shot but I don't think it is P111 stock though, not that that matters for showing how they were operated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merfyn Jones Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I believe a common thing for the LMS was to build new period III coaches to replace life expired pre grouping stock, therefore continuing the mixture of age in a train as before. Round here we had mixed up sets of 3 coach non corridors stock until the DMUs arrived. Merf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leander Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 The three non-corridors at BNS look like Period 1s. Note the missing beading on the coach behind the loco. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 At BNS the leading coach is a Period I lavatory brake second while the last coach appears to be a Period II lavatory brake second. The middle coach looks to be a Period I non-lav second and, as it has been recently repainted, has probably replaced a similar or lavatory composite coach. The middle and last coach also have their running numbers in the more usual position Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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