Andy Reichert Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Just watched this long Montage to Scanton cab ride video. (22 mins)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqPAa45gbw8  After a long tunnel, then crossing a river, at 13 mins, the street car line runs through an industry with several spurs and covered hoppers. Then a few hand-flagged grade crossings.  I bet that would be a hit as an exhibition layout. A trolley or (s) that could run frequently around the edge of the same switching area, plus a real lit tunnel coming out over a short river bridge. All while you switch hoppers at your own pace.  Not sure what else could run through, but the museum depot at the end looked like it had a lot of heritage diesels, etc.as well as modern stuff to feed the industry.  Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Nah, can't see this Trolley modelling lark catching on.... Â Regarding Punters, families and hard-core US/Can modellers would like it, but your average UK modeller wouldn't be interested because it isn't from their favourite big four/BR region (or they'd tell you it's Swiss)... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Â (or they'd tell you it's Swiss)... Or Australian. Or that you've done it all wrong, as they went to Colorado once on holiday and the trains looked different to that. Anyhow, more positively, love the tunnel/bridge transition, that's a nice feature. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supaned Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 So is that industry switched by one of those ALCOs we see later in the film?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Reichert Posted January 5, 2015 Author Share Posted January 5, 2015 So is that industry switched by one of those ALCOs we see later in the film?? Â Not my area of expertise. Hopefully someone else here will know. The depot is the National Steam Railroad Museum, although I probably haven't got the name exactly right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supaned Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Wikipedia suggests that the Delaware Lackawanna railroad works that industry , and they do indeed have a stable of ALCO power. More investigation needed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
40019 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Wikipedia suggests that the Delaware Lackawanna railroad works that industry , and they do indeed have a stable of ALCO power. More investigation needed.  take a look at my flickr set of Steamtown - DL RS-3's / C-425's / M-420 / M-636 plus some preserved F units - & a few large kettles  https://www.flickr.com/photos/35138806@N08/sets/72157624260298990/  Cheers Paul...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Well I think that Industrial section at 13mins is totally unrealistic, and the Accuracy Police would be all over you.... for starters the main line follows the curved leg of the switch at both ends!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Reichert Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 Well I think that Industrial section at 13mins is totally unrealistic, and the Accuracy Police would be all over you.... for starters the main line follows the curved leg of the switch at both ends!!! Â GUILTY! Darn it. Now I'm going to have to find an even more consistent subject to make models of. Â OTOH, Even worse for the Joe Fugate "improved" version of modelling track:- Â The obviously hinged points and heel blocks; All the frogs were either manganese or self guarding; The faster trolley line kept it's guard rails, even where it crossed those self guarding frogs; No guard or wing rails were harmed by being not cleaned for the making of the movie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
highpeak Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Your constant sniping at Joe Fugate's approach to building track is really tiresome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Reichert Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 Your constant sniping at Joe Fugate's approach to building track is really tiresome.  I'm sorry it sounds tiresome, but from the opposite direction, Joe is publicly claiming he's "improved" the Central Valley turnout by using it as a turnout building jig for "the Poor Man", with the backing of his own full magazine coverage. And finding unjustified fault with their recommended easy glued construction. Small outfit Central Valley doesn't have the equivalent publicity capability to respond.  This despite the remarkable fact that the Central Valley turnout product range that won the Model Railroader new Product Award by Reader Votes. Note that wasn't an award chosen by only some small, possibly biased, magazine staff. Joe's major changes replace the correct Central Valley FB hinged points with US unrealistic bendy Euro style bending rail points, which then requires that the base is "strengthened". Not because the base is in any way weak, but because his bendy point modification now causes the unnecessary points bending to be a major stress on the base. Even PECO doesn't use bendy point rails. And they don't need any soldered rail to ties joints either.  Joe also replaced the hinged connected throw bar with a US non realistic extra PCB tie, soldered to the point rail ends, so that the turnout points and throw bar now suffer parallelogram distortion and the well known long-term unreliability of fatigue stressed throw bar simple solder joints.  Because the Central Valley undercut points are replaced with single plane filed ones, the stock rail bases now need unrealistic filing away to accept them. They wouldn't otherwise.  All of that functional change is regardless of any cosmetic effects, which I'm not expressing any opinion on.  If Joe thinks that soldered turnout jigs are too expensive for the average RR modeller, the he could just say so. Instead of using his bully pulpit position to heap implied and actual criticism of a very good and reliable small company product.  Andy        .  . . . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
highpeak Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I don't think this thread is the place to discuss Joe Fugate's or any other method of building a turnout, way off topic. It was supposed to be about the operation of a streetcar in conjunction with railroad freight and the National Park Service's museum.  A more interesting point, which hasn't come up yet, is the wheels on that streetcar. I assume Red Arrow used a wheel that conformed to street railway standards. It's been a long time since I worked at the Shore Line Trolley museum, and I can't remember what the wheels on our Red Arrow cars were like. In any case, their trucks had to be removed and stored since of course Red Arrow was a broad gauge (something like 5' 2"?) operation. The St. Louis cars were in pretty rough shape were placed on old freight car trucks and moved out of the way, the Brilliner didn't look too bad and ended up getting some sort of powered truck at one end that allowed it at least to self-propel. The task of regauging the trucks was far too much work, as I recall the brake rigging was welded to the frame making it very difficult to move.  So the Red Arrow car in the video has had significant truck work to convert to standard gauge. What kind of wheels does it have? I'm thinking streetcar type wheels (streetcars with railroad wheels look grotesque, or so we all thought at the museum), which probably explains why there are guard rails being used in conjunction with self-guarding frogs? This may be a 1:1 scale equivalent to using both code 110 and code 88 wheels Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015  So the Red Arrow car in the video has had significant truck work to convert to standard gauge. What kind of wheels does it have? I'm thinking streetcar type wheels (streetcars with railroad wheels look grotesque, or so we all thought at the museum), which probably explains why there are guard rails being used in conjunction with self-guarding frogs? This may be a 1:1 scale equivalent to using both code 110 and code 88 wheels If that it the case, I'm guessing it's more likely to be sitting on a different pair of trucks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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