Satan's Goldfish Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Edit: This was formerly 'Kit Build Challenge Entry - Peco oo9 'Jeanette'', topic modified and move requested due to change of content. So this is my first possible entry for this years challenge (it may not be the last) as the challenge feels like a good excuse to decrease my projects pile. Here we have a Peco oo9 'Jeanette' white metal kit and a (working) minitrix 0-6-0 chassis. I bought the kit many years ago, I'd guess mid 90s, the instructions recommend an Arnold chassis but that's not what I have to hand, but I have checked and it will fit in the hole in the base plate of the loco kit with a bit of extra support. I've never attempted a white metal kit before so this is a first for me. I have no idea what colour or detail it will end up receiving, and I highly doubt it will called Jeanette when it's finished. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenton Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Building it with solder or glue? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted March 18, 2015 Author Share Posted March 18, 2015 Good question, not looked into that yet. Is a 'special' glue needed if I go that route? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poggy1165 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I remember building one of these when I was about 12. A lovely little kit. I definitely glued it, but I couldn't say what glue I used. Nowadays, if I wasn't doing solder, I would choose either Epoxy or Evostik. Soldering is better if you can manage it, but my old loco stayed together with glue for many years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted March 18, 2015 Author Share Posted March 18, 2015 I'm no stranger to a soldering iron......just never tried to model with one! I'm guessing my normal formula of stupidly hot is good doesn't work with white metal, I'll have turn the iron down a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenton Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Good question, not looked into that yet. Is a 'special' glue needed if I go that route?I am afraid I am a bit of a purist and would never even consider gluing any metal. But the reason for the question is that some find whitemetal soldering a bit of a black art. If I were to "glue" it would definitely be araldite (or similar) I would avoid like the plague anything approaching superglue as it will eventually (if not quickly) fall apart, I'm afraid I think Evostick (and their ilk) has no place here either, an all metal construction deserves a solid glue. But as I said I wouldn't even consider glue. Whichever you do choose the same amount of care is required in preparation. Whichever you do choose any mistakes are easy to remedy by a dunk in an appropriate solvent or a saucepan of hot water. (all good learning exercises) If you do choose to solder, remember whitemetal soldering is usually performed at a lower temperature than normal soldering and if new to the "art" use a temperature controlled iron and low melt solder. It is a different technique than other soldering tasks and should be considered more as a metal glue than usual soldering. As always with soldering practise on some scrap. Important to remember is that the parts need to be shiny clean and use a suitable flux. BTW I use a 25W iron with no temperature control - I do not recommend it to anyone unless they have experience with white metal. In the right hands it can be used with confidence and effect but the real danger of touching the side of the iron on a small delicate part of the model or sleep walking a join (pushing molten solder around) is ever present. You can soon end up with a deformed part at best or some spare wagon scrap weight at worst. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted March 18, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 18, 2015 If not 'Jeanette' then how about 'Mrs SG' ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Timely... I've just picked up one although I wasn't planning on using it as a challenge entry. I'll be following your build very closely as I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted April 4, 2015 Author Share Posted April 4, 2015 I'll be following your build very closely as I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing. Same here, let's see who can mess one of these up most spectacularly! Not sure what I'm going to do with mine once it's built, I don't have an oo9 layout yet (always wanted one though) so it may find itself strapped to a standard gauge flat wagon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 I still don't although currently I have 2 loco kits, 10 wagon kits and 2 coach kits currently on the "to do" heap. I have no idea how that happened. But I'm going to use Peco N gauge track, with the sleepers cut underneath to spread out using a coffee stirrer as a spacer, to make my own "crazy track". There is something kinda cute about OO-9 I think part of the attraction is that most ran a hotchpotch of assorted stock of varying vintages and it's very easy to come up with a plausible layout based entirely on fiction (or fantasy in my case... it's a very long story) that nobody can really pick apart as inaccurate as almost anything "could happen". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted April 4, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 4, 2015 I have quite a stock of OO9 kits. Must get around to putting them on the Buy & Sell if people are keen to build them for the challenge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted April 4, 2015 Author Share Posted April 4, 2015 I have quite a stock of OO9 kits. Must get around to putting them on the Buy & Sell if people are keen to build them for the challenge. I'll probably regret saying this when mrs SG hurts me, but what ya got? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 I've bought some Parkside kits - but there may be some things of interest in there too although SG gets first dibs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted April 4, 2015 Author Share Posted April 4, 2015 I still don't although currently I have 2 loco kits, 10 wagon kits and 2 coach kits currently on the "to do" heap. I have no idea how that happened. But I'm going to use Peco N gauge track, with the sleepers cut underneath to spread out using a coffee stirrer as a spacer, to make my own "crazy track". There is something kinda cute about OO-9 I think part of the attraction is that most ran a hotchpotch of assorted stock of varying vintages and it's very easy to come up with a plausible layout based entirely on fiction (or fantasy in my case... it's a very long story) that nobody can really pick apart as inaccurate as almost anything "could happen". I've got some Peco oo9 setrack curves, and some old stock from various sources all 1970s in origin that were a hand-me-down. The new ready to run stuff from Peco is scaring my wallet, especially the carriages! when I was still at school I did a little volunteer work at Bure Valley Railway (still a 'friend', just geographically in the wrong place most of the time) and that got me hooked on steam narrow gauge. I wouldn't mind tackling some freelance tender engines to go with the new peco carriages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 The Peco stuff is scarily expensive indeed - but some of the Parkside kits aren't too bad if you are looking to do a fairly simple livery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 If you want to keep track of my progress, it'll be over here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted May 11, 2015 Author Share Posted May 11, 2015 Good news! Started putting some bits together. Bad news! Missing a part, the rear 'buffer beam' that the coupling fits to. Good news! Due to my choice of chassis that part would need some doctoring anyway to get the loco to sit level. Bad news! I suck at putting together white metal kits that like to bend while you look at them. This will not be an impressive model. Wussed out and sticking it together with 99p store superglue which I use for virtually everything anyway. It's a much more effective product than others I've tried. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted September 13, 2015 Author Share Posted September 13, 2015 Due to house moving etc no chance this will be finished for the challenge (although I did help achieve something on the modular challenge so this year wasn't a total fail). I'm about to ask a mod or Andy to move this to the Narrow Gauge sub forum as from now it's going to turn into SG's Random OO9 Work Bench! Obviously there's the work on Jeanette to open with and I do have some other vintage 1970s OO9/HOe stock hiding in a box somewhere to share when I re-find it. There's also this mixed gauge crossing thread to add to the mix for my OO9 ventures: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/74729-old-track-help-ho-oo-x-hoe-oo9-crossing/ and while I currently have no precise plan for making a layout I do enjoy the stock. Recently, I had a moment. Peco have started selling their nice carriages and wagons but they're really too expensive to justify when I don't have a plan for them (and there's the slight risk of them becoming the cliche go to OO9 stock, don't get me wrong I do like the look of them!) When a discussion about old Matchbox 'superfast' trains gave me an idea. They're plentiful and cheap, roughly the right scale in places, and I have a big supply of out of date n gauge stock hiding in the garage that they can be re-chassied with. A very cheap trip to ebay and discussions with a fellow rmwebber has created an initial source of parts. The first arrived from ebay and were duly compared to modern OO stock: My initial victims are due to be the carriages. The plan is to pair them up by chopping the veranda off the ends without the little window and then fixing 2 together on the chopped ends to create a longer carriage. This will be mounted onto old Lima bogies from their under length mk1 coaches. To mix things up, other carriages and the Matchbox 'caboose' can be left as short 4 wheel options on old wagon chassis. The flat container carrying wagons can form the basis of multiple conversions, just don't know what yet as I don't have a final layout plan. The tipping hopper wagon (not pictured) is a bit of a beast and will need to lose some weight to look right with other OO9 wagons. For locomotives, I'm intially thinking the steamers can be chopped around to fit whatever powered steam chassis I can lay my hands on. There's plenty of the 4 wheeled side tanks out there so it's not the end of the world if I muck some up! The 6 wheeled pannier tank (not yet pictured) is a bigger challenge, no plans yet. And finally my favorites, the suprisingly detailed diesels! Initial thoughts are the old Farish 08 chassis but I'm going to see what others are available from the continent before I dive in. The Fleischmann rack chassis has even crossed my mind! Developments as things happen, but this looks like it might be a useful method for some budget stock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Moxy Posted September 14, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 14, 2015 I like the idea of the Matchbox stock. I'm not sure if there are different versions of the coaches, but the ones in my conversion pile have metal (tinplate?) lower sides, the red part of the coaches in your photo - which might prove difficult to cut and join. What I had planned to do with mine is replace the lower side with a strip of planked plasticard to represent older style wooden coaches, but I hadn't thought of combining 2 on a bogie chassis. With regards to the diesels, there are 2 versions of those, metal and plastic, your version looks like a metal one. If you are looking for a budget diesel chassis, try the Kato 11-103 or 11-104, both of which will fit. You can buy them through Amazon UK, they are currently under £9 each post free. They do come direct from Japan so delivery can take a while, but at that price you can't really complain! HTH Moxy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted September 14, 2015 Author Share Posted September 14, 2015 Cheers Moxy, that's a superb tip! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted September 22, 2015 Author Share Posted September 22, 2015 The postman has delivered more goodies courtesy of Stewartingram! I kind of feel guilty that these mint in box items lovingly cared for all these years are due to get chopped and modded, but that passes! This lot has now been added to the box with the 16 items already received from ebay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 There was a plastic version of the Matchbox diesel (possibly all-plastic versions of the other items too) which is much easier to chop about if you can find one. The lower halves of the coaches are die cast and are wider at the bottom than the waist which looks odd so I'd certainly go along with replacing it with matchboard style lower sides, especially if you're combining bodies together anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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