class156 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 I am looking to have a 3rd rail MK1 model done in the early South West Trains livery. I think it was a class 423 on an all station stopping from Watterloo to Virginia Water I was on during a boys visit with my cousing, uncle, gandad and my dad. That loco looked so tired by that time and all slam doors didn't last much passed that, but I never thought to see them off sadly. I'm looking for info to allow such a project to happen ie head codes for a fully stopping service to Virgina Water from Waterloo, running numbers and any other details required, with a good clear image of the livery. I'm just going to get a quote for this just now to see if it's affordable. It will bea memory of that last holiday with my grandad. Any help much appreciated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kintbury jon Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 You will want the NSE 4VEP as it has the correct guards layout (I assume this is OO?), not the blue or blue/grey one. Electra graphics may do the livery? http://www.geocities.ws/jamesstearn/trainstoday/_vep_3469waterloowindsorside.JPG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
class156 Posted March 31, 2015 Author Share Posted March 31, 2015 You will want the NSE 4VEP as it has the correct guards layout (I assume this is OO?), not the blue or blue/grey one. Electra graphics may do the livery? http://www.geocities.ws/jamesstearn/trainstoday/_vep_3469waterloowindsorside.JPG Yes OO. Think I might stick to getting it painted in the correct livery. Any idea on the head codes for such a service and running numbers? I already have all 3 of Bachmann's third rail MK1s, so will stick with the Hornby 423. Would the class 411 from Bachmann work with SWT? (that may be a future project) Also, did SWT ever couple say a 411 to a 423 or a blue/gray to a SWT livery same class? I like the very long trains with these VEP/CEPs. I plan to do a made up harbour/docks with road tracks loosley based on Waymouth or similar with tram style road tracks and buildings down one side and parked cars. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kintbury jon Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 VEPs were usually on the Waterloo- Reading service, headcode 38. There were also Waterloo - Guildford via Ascot that carried headcode 28. They were stoppers from Staines to Reading but usually fairly quick, Waterloo - Clapham - Richmond - Twickenham - Feltham - Staines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
class156 Posted March 31, 2015 Author Share Posted March 31, 2015 VEPs were usually on the Waterloo- Reading service, headcode 38. There were also Waterloo - Guildford via Ascot that carried headcode 28. They were stoppers from Staines to Reading but usually fairly quick, Waterloo - Clapham - Richmond - Twickenham - Feltham - Staines. Virginia Water had Waymouth (sure still does) or Reading bound services. Given the platform we got off the train, I think it was Reading bound. I'm sure that service was Waterloo - Vauxhall - Clapham - Richmond - Twickenham - Feltham - Ashford - Staines - Egham - Virginia Water - onto Reading (correct if wrong, but i'm sure there were many more stops, as it took an age to get back to Viginia Water on that service that I'm trying to remember here). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 with a good clear image of the livery. . Any use? http://ukrailwaypics.smugmug.com/UKRailwayPics/Electric-Multiple-Units/Class-423-4VEP/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
class156 Posted April 1, 2015 Author Share Posted April 1, 2015 Any use? http://ukrailwaypics.smugmug.com/UKRailwayPics/Electric-Multiple-Units/Class-423-4VEP/ Yes, very useful showing good views on the livery. I'm now requiring the head codes for a slow, all stops, stopping train from Waterloo to Reading as these train were used in the last months/days of service. I'm not 100% if it was most or all stops as it was a one off, that I traved on that service, given that the new Siemans trains were in good numbers on faster trains by then. It does make things harder liking and building my layout based on an area of BR that I have very little knowledge or experience with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
class156 Posted April 1, 2015 Author Share Posted April 1, 2015 I've just been quoted £400 + postage from Olivia's Trains for this project. That's a touch too much for my liking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kintbury jon Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Get yourself a Network one and repaint it. Alternatively, I think some carried NSE with SWT branding? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
class156 Posted April 1, 2015 Author Share Posted April 1, 2015 Get yourself a Network one and repaint it. Alternatively, I think some carried NSE with SWT branding? It was more to get one to remind me of that trip. I might just stick with the 70s/80s blue/gray theme for the area with a Harbour type scene Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brendan8056 Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 As you say the journey seemed very long it could be the service via the Hounslow Loop, headcode 13. This was the all stations Weybridge to Waterloo via Staines and Hounslow. SWT re-introduced slam door units on these and the Windsor services to allow the 455 sliding door units to increase capacity on other routes. Posters were put up to explain how to use these trains safely. Most trains were Vep (423) but some were other types (Bep/Cep/Cig/ex Big units with Cep trailer). SWT also used 455 units on weekend and evening Reading line services until the 458 units finally became reliable. Indeed 455s do still appear on the Reading line, the sound of the 50+ year old English Electric motors working at maximum speed is great! Quite a few NSE liveried units survived until the last days of SWT slam door operation, albeit with SWT logos. One, which suffered a heavy graffiti attack, was even repainted in NSE colours and could be recognised by the rather wobbly lines on the stripes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
class156 Posted April 5, 2015 Author Share Posted April 5, 2015 As you say the journey seemed very long it could be the service via the Hounslow Loop, headcode 13. This was the all stations Weybridge to Waterloo via Staines and Hounslow. SWT re-introduced slam door units on these and the Windsor services to allow the 455 sliding door units to increase capacity on other routes. Posters were put up to explain how to use these trains safely. Most trains were Vep (423) but some were other types (Bep/Cep/Cig/ex Big units with Cep trailer). SWT also used 455 units on weekend and evening Reading line services until the 458 units finally became reliable. Indeed 455s do still appear on the Reading line, the sound of the 50+ year old English Electric motors working at maximum speed is great! Quite a few NSE liveried units survived until the last days of SWT slam door operation, albeit with SWT logos. One, which suffered a heavy graffiti attack, was even repainted in NSE colours and could be recognised by the rather wobbly lines on the stripes. That is interesting! Sounds very like the service I'm thinking about. I'd like to see an example of SWT logos on the NSE, as that may be an option if they were used on that service. Were any blue/gray 423s around in SWT days with STW logos like those with NSE logos? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brendan8056 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 All the VEPs were repainted in NSE livery before the SWT franchise was set up. The NSE liveried units had just the Stagecoach South West trains logo in place of the Network South East logo on the driving trailers, otherwise the livery was still NSE. Sorry I have no suitable pictures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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