Wild Boar Fell Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Just a quick question, I don't believe I have ever seen a photo of a Stanier 5mt with a cabside yellow stripe. I know Jubilees, 8F's, Fowler 4's, Super D's etc had these but did the Black 5's ever carry the stripes? Thanks in advance, Wild Boar Fell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Now you mention it, I can't remember seeing any either. I know it was mainly due to clearances under the 25kv wires which resulted in a yellow stripe, and maybe the Black 5s satisfied the safety criteria? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted April 15, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 15, 2015 Have to agree - but never say never! Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norton961 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Certainly not, no B5 ever carried the yellow warning stripe. The 8f,s that carried the stripe (only 3 of them) had different top feeds so that's how they were given the yellow stripe. The official document showing which classes and how the stripe was to be applied and the list did not include the B 5,s. The stripe was to show crews that the loco was banned south of Crewe under the overhead wires. B5,s continued to work south of Crewe post the 1st September date when the ban came into effect. The original list was G2, Jubilee, Re built Scots/Patriots/Jubilees, Duchesses and 4F,s. The 3 8F,s were added later and a number of other locos had the stripe applied without being on the list and which had no chance of getting anywhere near Crewe such as a couple of A4,s shedded at St Rollox which was an Midland Region depot. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Boar Fell Posted April 15, 2015 Author Share Posted April 15, 2015 Thanks Everyone, Very interesting, saves me applying them in error. Regards, Wild Boar Fell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 The 3 8F,s were added later and a number of other locos had the stripe applied without being on the list and which had no chance of getting anywhere near Crewe such as a couple of A4,s shedded at St Rollox which was an Midland Region depot. A couple of minor points there (sorry). While there may have been 3 8Fs on the list 'to be done', I've only seen evidence that 48773 ever had them applied. I'm presuming 48774/5 were the other 2 - 48775 definitely didn't get them. And St. Rollox (65B) was never a Midland Region depot! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad McCann Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 As Pete will confirm. Those ScR-based pacifics only received the stripes because they worked into the LMR (Carlisle) and could be conceivably find themselves 'borrowed' in theory for a Crewe turn whilst laying over at 12A. The locos involved were 60027/31, 60041/52/100 60512/22/24/35. 12A based 72006 had the stripe applied in error. That's pretty much it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad McCann Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Further to some off-piste discussion, we can remove 60524 from the above list, but add 60527. That was a new one on me. Thanks Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 A couple of minor points there (sorry). While there may have been 3 8Fs on the list 'to be done', I've only seen evidence that 48773 ever had them applied. I'm presuming 48774/5 were the other 2 - 48775 definitely didn't get them. And St. Rollox (65B) was never a Midland Region depot! Confirming the above really. No Black Fives ever got the stripe as they were below the critical height, likewise 8Fs. But the last three of these in the numbers list - 8773 to 8775 - had enlarged top feeds from their Middle East service and so fouled the height restriction. As said, only 8773 got the stripe, for some reason, but here's the twist. In 1966, she received a Heavy Intermediate repair at Crewe, gaining a replacement boiler and standard top feed, so no longer infringed the restriction. She should then have had the stripe removed, but it wasn't, and remained on the loco until after withdrawal on 4th August 1968. So of the three locos, the only one to carry it didn't, in the end, actually need it. But, when this loco was purchased for preservation, it was decided to run her from Rose Grove to Bridgnorth under her own steam, and on the appointed day - well after 11th August - the fire was lit, steam raised and crew in the cab when someone noticed the yellow stripe and stopped the job. Appeals pointing out that the stripe was no longer relevant fell on deaf ears, the fire was dropped, and that was that. 8773 eventually made the journey dead on own wheels with connecting rods off behind a diesel, stopping off at Tyseley for an open day en-route. Thus were the perils of a yellow stripe! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 So it could run without steam but not in steam I was about to say then I remembered - steam loco - big pile of iron with no insulation, fireman and driver might not have been well pleased if it did prove to be restricted after all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 ... only 8773 got the stripe ... In an earlier discussion on here about yellow stripes, you said "There was another 8F which acquired the stripe, undoubtedly in error. The 8F Locomotive society is investigating." Did you know if anything come out of that investigation? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Not that I've heard, so I assumeNo! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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