AireValley1962 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Good Afternoon! I was wondering if anyone might know how far the Class 73 electro-diesels roamed. I know that since they were powered both by electricity and diesel oil they could travel father afield than a EMU, but how far? Or was the diesel engine used just for shunting where there wasn't a third rail? Thanks, William Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest B Exam Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Good Afternoon! I was wondering if anyone might know how far the Class 73 electro-diesels roamed. I know that since they were powered both by electricity and diesel oil they could travel father afield than a EMU, but how far? Or was the diesel engine used just for shunting where there wasn't a third rail? Thanks, William The diesel engine was mainly used for shunting in yards where there was no 3rd rail. Furthest off the 3rd rail I've seen a 73 under its own power is just north of Duffield (Between Derby and Chesterfield). https://flickr.com/photos/69838920@N04/15169623042/ They regulary visit Derby whilst working test trains to and from the technical centre. They have been as far north as Edinburgh when a couple were used as barrier vehicles in moving some HST coaches to a works for attention. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted April 27, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 27, 2015 How about Brum on a service train and Redditch on a Rail Tour? A long way from the juice rail Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted April 27, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 27, 2015 Why refer to the class 73s in the past tense? Some are still around! And in fact some have now undergone a major refurbishment, becoming class 73/9 - see http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/85704-re-engineered-class-73/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Back in the early 80s I was surprised to see a 73/1 hauling a southbound train of bogie oil tankers round the Didcot avoiding line. I filmed it on my old Super 8 cine camera - I've no idea how and why it was on that working, but it was managing a good 50mph on diesel power. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 And a pair of light engines on the juice go like shite off a shovel............................. Most useful engines ever built.................... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted April 27, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 27, 2015 Some of the 73/0's ended their "normal" railway days in Merseyrail yellow around the Liverpool area. At least once a year for the past 3-4 years, a pair traverse the Merseryrail network on a test train. On diesel power, they're only good for 600hp. (although the 73/9 rebuilds are rated at 1600hp) Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted April 27, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 27, 2015 They made it to Birmingham on a couple if occasions with the infamously unreliable Brighton to Glasgow service back in the day and i am prettysure back in BR days one wound up inexplicably at Cardiff once. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
40044 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Didn't one make it to Scotland in the last 10 years or so? Albeit only as a barrier for a set of HST trailers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim H Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Remenber seeing a 73 double-heading with a 33/1 through Slough on a Freightliner in the 70s. Though the 33 was probably doing most of the work, I think both were under power. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted April 27, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 27, 2015 I've seen 2 through Slough on seperate occasions both engineering or stone trains in the later 1970s. I wasn't a regular so perhaps not that rare - there was juice at Reading and Old Oak/Willesden afterall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BR Blue Posted April 27, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 27, 2015 They made it to Birmingham on a couple if occasions with the infamously unreliable Brighton to Glasgow service back in the day and i am prettysure back in BR days one wound up inexplicably at Cardiff once. Definitely one at an open day in Cardiff Canton in the 80s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted April 27, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 27, 2015 They made it to Birmingham on a couple if occasions with the infamously unreliable Brighton to Glasgow service back in the day and i am prettysure back in BR days one wound up inexplicably at Cardiff once. Possibly this one? A Pair of ED's From Birmingham by D1059, on Flickr 73134 & 73108 Leamington Spa, 1M87 11.05 Portsmouth-Manchester 21_8_82 by Andy F 1965, on Flickr 73134 & 73108 Birmingham New Street, 1M87 11.05 Portsmouth-Manchester 21_8_82 by Andy F 1965, on Flickr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edcayton Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 That photo at Leamington is fabulous. It just oozes atmosphere. Ed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 They made it to Birmingham on a couple if occasions with the infamously unreliable Brighton to Glasgow service back in the day and i am prettysure back in BR days one wound up inexplicably at Cardiff once. A couple made it to Cardiff, Canton in the late 80s early 90s for tyre turning - under their own power. . One had appeared at the Canton (GWR 150) Open Day circa 1985 Another made it to the Barry Depot Open Day in 1990 . And finally, one turned up at Barry a few years ago, (as brake force runner ?) on the rear of a rake of GatEx stock hauled by a GBRf Cl. 66/7. I'll have to find the photos I took, of some of these events. Brian R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckymucklebackit Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 The most northern based class 73 was 73119 which was at one time based on the Keith and Dufftown Railway. It was moved to Dufftown in September 2004, but saw very little use and was bought by Knights Rail and moved South in July 2008. (info Scot-Rail.co.uk) There is a picture of 73204 at Craigentinny here http://www.scot-rail.co.uk/page/Class+73 plus details of other class 73 workings in Scotland. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 I have a picture somewhere of a dead one at Shenfield. It had been sent up to Norwich to collect some coaching stock that was heading to Eastleigh for refurbishment, and it ran out of fuel and died at Shenfield in the evening peak. They had to send a 37 from Stratford (when it had a depot) to drag it down and give it some fuel. Fun evening. Only one I "cabbed" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 If you wait a while, they should be regulars in Scotland when some 73/9s take up Caledonian Sleeper duties for SERCO.................. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roythebus Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Probably the most versatile loco ever built, it could run in multiple with most of the Southern stock, 33/1, blue square diesels, vac brake, air brake, Hastings line gauge. they were only limited by the fuel tank capacity and the fact they were only 600hp on diesel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 They got across London on inter regional freight traffic, Acton was one yard they visited. Here is one passing through Kensington Olympia https://www.flickr.com/photos/54a_south_dock/7679912374/in/photolist-cGDyoj-6AoVvz-ofivFZ-brWPcm-5TwWvn-qhVPUL-9JGXAR-pyUer5-oeHkGs-dibNdz-kBPq9v-ow12ED-qXge2U-rRY4L7-rU8Wwm-8parkL-mbhzdW-pyUcG3-dB2out-ieHjK2-84ovKn-DM8dF-de7xdX-4icKrS-nJrPtR-ccqgL3-ccoUWA-9ebfE4-9NAASu-de7wA5-ikct4c-mytgmR-brgFq2-godZSn-nmPEk8-gfixFJ-gfidat-dVa38W-bqabiC-gc1mjf-rRQg3U-6QFBo9-8FuN34-rAdG2n-6ri55D-95238w-94r5rE-r5QXep-rU8Td7-rUbFkc And a photo by Brian Daniels of one at Acton https://www.flickr.com/photos/brianews/5734138497/in/photolist-9JGXAR-pyUer5-oeHkGs-dibNdz-kBPq9v-ow12ED-qXge2U-rRY4L7-rU8Wwm-8parkL-mbhzdW-pyUcG3-dB2out-ieHjK2-84ovKn-DM8dF-de7xdX-4icKrS-nJrPtR-ccqgL3-ccoUWA-9ebfE4-9NAASu-de7wA5-ikct4c-mytgmR-brgFq2-godZSn-nmPEk8-gfixFJ-gfidat-dVa38W-bqabiC-gc1mjf-rRQg3U-6QFBo9-8FuN34-rAdG2n-6ri55D-95238w-94r5rE-r5QXep-rU8Td7-rUbFkc-qXggfm-ebD27E-78QBPC-i2NHLz-roSaeD-oeMTUG Another one at Acton https://www.flickr.com/photos/52323442@N03/8109339006/in/photolist-dmAtXL-8b5n5K-cbTuDj-bmkp5U-9GZFjT-rmZHt4-oszvwJ-odbpK5-ouPUHx-odkTNc-owqFuj-ourpnU-qdtyKz-6JnQGu-nxKSDM-pqcZac-pqub6n-ciLFf5-DeM5D-gzY7zD-mGjMuB-nmRrgL-mGmtTj-mGjUi4-mGjTUk-mGf26T-ciLMAE-pjFR6z-dhAh7i-dhAgL9-dhAjE5-dhAhbm-dhAhuv-dhAjkT-dhAhwC-m73FEX-dce9Dh-DeLVf-8b5n5P-ovFNba-ciLRLJ-iGU1ao-cDYPYj-8kfugH-8kfugV-8kiJNC-8kfwgH-oef5M2-odo19f-oeQYht Later in my railway career around 1999/2000 I worked with a supervisor who had come from Eastleigh who reckoned that they had a tendency to boil the radiator if they worked on diesel power for prolonged periods, I don't know how common that was, or whether it was as they were getting older and due to lack of maintenance, cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobbler Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 They were occasional visitors to Bletchley in the mid 1980,s. moving units between S-R depots and Wolverton works Richard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted April 28, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 28, 2015 Probably the most versatile loco ever built, it could run in multiple with most of the Southern stock, 33/1, blue square diesels, vac brake, air brake, Hastings line gauge. they were only limited by the fuel tank capacity and the fact they were only 600hp on diesel. The lack of power on diesel was their only Achilles Heel I think. Experience related by various ex SR (Region that is) folk suggests that they could be quite heavily loaded but I was always a tad distrustful of that and went by the book as far loads were concerned (and in the Operating Co. I finished up I was the author of the Loads Book ). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Miles Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 I saw two at Gloucester last year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Dread Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Sometimes the answer to such a question as this is very obvious. The real limitation, as already stated, to a class 73's range of operation off the third rail was their fuel tank capacity! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AireValley1962 Posted May 14, 2015 Author Share Posted May 14, 2015 Thanks, gentlemen, for your info. I was wondering if anyone has any pictures and/or information about a specific locomotive - E6010 to be exact. I know it spent most of its life at Stewarts Lane Depot, but other than that have not been able to find any pictures or information. Thanks, William Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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