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  1. Hello Daz. . Tried replying earlier, but the issues with RMWeb kept timing me out. . I've attached some shots of former BR Turbot wagons, acquired by ASW and rebuilt as BSM wagons for carrying billets to the Bar & Section Mill, and when converted again to carry wire coils as MC wagons.. . Most former Turbots didn't carry their BR builders plates (or should that be rebuild plates in the case of the Turbots ?). . BSM203 (original ID unknown) is shown in "No.5 Exchange Road" at ASW Tremorfa on 22nd. August, 2002. Note that this wagon has been fitted ( by ASW ) with BR 'plate back' roller bearing bogies in place of the original Davies & Lloyd bogies . I believe Cambrian still do the 'plate back' bogies in 4mm. . BSM205 (original ID unknown) is seen loaded (probably 'overloaded') on 'The Prairie' at Tremorfa, circa 1990. . MC206 formerly BSM206 (ex-B978241) is shown at Channel Sidings (for the QA Dock) on 31st January, 2005. This photo shows how the wire carrying bolsters were fitted across the wagon(s) and also the Davies & Lloyd bogies. . MC202 formerly BSM202 (original ID unknown) is also shown at Channel Sidings on 31st. January, 2005. Note that this wagon has also been fitted ( by ASW ) with BR 'plate back' roller bearing bogies in place of the original Davies & Lloyd bogies . . Hope this helps . Brian
  2. I was sat on my £15,000 reclining, real leather, eezee boy chair, watching our 72" flat screen plasma smart t.v. earlier whilst twiddling with my top of the range I-phone 24, when it struck me that kids today don't know how lucky they are; and I had to explain to my manservant.... . That when I was a kid, we were so poor……. . …..the council had to do our house up to condemn it. . …..I had to use a broken calculator at school. It was missing the X button. Times were hard. . …..When it was really cold my dad would suck an extra strong mint and we'd all sit round his tongue. . …The ducks threw bread at us when we went for a walk in the park . …..Mum used to take us to KFC to lick other peoples fingers... . …..My parents told me that when the ice cream man played his music it meant he'd run out of ice cream. . …..I had a hoop and stick. I took it to my friends house and when I came out it had gone, so I started crying. His dad said "What are you crying for? you can get another" "I know" I replied, "but how am I going to get home?" . …..I said I wanted the a console for Christmas so my dad said “ cheer up your ears aren't that big”. . …..My parents used to go to the Army Navy Store for my school uniform. I used to feel a right tit dressed as a Japanese General.
  3. Accurately modelling a pit takes a lot of research, two headframes - 'downcast' and an 'upcast' - then to get the buildings correct, and sited properly etc - Oh ! and a very large space to build it in . One reason why my 'NCB Twll Cach' is going to me a drift mine.
  4. About 1 in 1.5, I believe. . The drawing below is for 4mm scale dimensions.
  5. Are you using the correct 'terminology' in your search ? . The structure we associate with collieries is generally called the 'headframe' and the winding wheels are 'sheaves' . By far the best model of a British (well Welsh) headframe was in etched brass by "Wrightscale" and available in both 2mm and 4mm scales. . Not sure if it's still available though.
  6. This link, to a thread on the 'old' RMWeb may be of some assistance. . https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/28737-south-wales-industrial-railways/ . Brian R
  7. I'll give you all the number series I have to hand . CRM 1 - CRM 24 (CRM=Cardiff Rod Mill) All ex-BR Bogie Bolster 'D' wagons, renumbered and repainted form the CD series q.v. . SB100 - SB143 (SB=Short Billet) Initially all ex-PO TTA/TTB underframes, but supplemented by ex Celtic Energy, former BR HEA hopper underframes from 1996 . K131 - P199 Mainly Bogie Bolster 'C', Rectanks, Warflats and ex-LNER Bogie Bolsters, with prefixes of P, J, Q, TOR or Z; mainly phased out during the early 1990s. . L200 - L211 ex-LNE / LMS & BR Plates, used for carrying scrap wire coils from the Castle Works to the Tremorfa steelworks . BSM200 - BSM207 (BSM = Bar and Section Mill) ex-BR 'Turbot' for carrying billets to the Bar & Section Mill . MC172, MC177, MC201 - MC206 / MC503-MC518 random numbers in this series. . MP 244,MP246,MP319,MP 395 The last of a large class of scrap carriers, former 16 ton minerals and 27 ton Tipplers. . C301 - C302 ex-BR Weltrol wagons, used for carrying 'wire coil' eye to the sky. . MB410 - MB499 (MB=Merchant Bar) Merchant Bar billet carriers . BM501-BM520 (BM=Bar Mill) Bar Mill billet carriers, former BR 'JZV' Slabcoil wagons, an ex-GWR 'Crocodile, and ex-BPCM tank underframes. . CD600-CD674 (CD=Cardiff Docks) plus two never converted, due to liquidation. 24 converted to CRM, see above, and in the process of being converted back to CD when ASW went into receivership. . SC700-SC714 All ex-BR 42 ton 'Boplate' wagons, for carrying wire coil'eye to side' . LLC720-LLC729 (later renumbered SC720-SC729 ex-BR 42 ton 'Boplate' wagons for carrying wire coil 'eye to side' . LC730-LC766 (LC=Long Coil, WC=Wide Coil) at least 18 rebuilt, and reprefixed WC, and another 4 'Plates' renumbered CSW61- CSW64 (CSW=Carrington South Wales) ex-BR 21 ton 'Plate' wagons and Coil 'E' (KEV) There was great variety amongst these wagons, just the axleboxes alone included Splitbox, Platefront, roller bearings, Hybox & Athermos. . CB800-CB804 (CB=Condemned billet) Originally 'Warflat' wagons, initially rebuilt with large box bodies for carrying scrap, but the boxes were removed 1997/1998 and bolsters and stanchions fitted. . KW900-KW937 (KW=Korky's Wagons) ex-PDUF POA 'Black Adder' scrap wagons, replaced on the mainline by JNA bogie boxes. Used for fragmentised scrap between Birds / Slag Reductuion and the Tremorfa steelworks. , RM1-RM8 (RM=Rod Mill) ex-PDUF and ASW KW series wagons with cut down bodies (for safety reasons) to carry a specific scrap flow from the cardiff Rod Mill aka Castle Works to Tremorfa . TW1 (TW=Test Weight) ex-PDUF POA 'Black Adder' loaded with scrap billets to a defined and accurate weight, with a steel sheet welded over the top. Used for testing the company rail weighbridges. . BF962-BF979 (BF=Birds Fragmentisers) 'Red Adder' scrap boxes, the internal user version of mainline 'Black Adder' wagons . BF990-BF999 (BF=Birds Fragmentisers) Warflat and former BR KGV ? coil wagon conversions of Warflats, fitted with box bodies in the late 80s for scrap carrying. Boxes removed 1997/1998 and wagons converted to CB wagons. . BE92953-BE93288, (BE=Bar Export) 14 wagons, former FPA container wagons, converted from shortened TEA tank wagon underframes. 4 were still awaiting conversion when ASW went to the wall . RR1 (RR=Re railing) A former GWR 'Toad' brakevan used to carry a generator, jacks, packing and tools for rerailing stock RR2 A former LC series Plate wagon, used with the 'Toad' RR1 . B954734, B954532 ex-BR 20 ton standard brake vans, bought by ASW with the intention of using them to transport visitors around the network. . . Hope this helps ? . Brian R
  8. You could lose a few hours browsing through the Wiltshire/Chaplin/Burford/Wiltshire collection................ I know I did.
  9. Paul . Yes, ASW staff were good at locating redundant stock from around the country. . When Hywel Thomas and I toured the plant during receivership in 2002, they had just received a handful of Bogie Bolster D wagons from Healey Mills, but which never entered service as "CD" wagons. Similarly, they had several of the cut down TEA underframes (converted for carrying steel containers) stacked on each other behind the wagon shop, waiting to be converted, a job that never happened. . The following table is taken from my notes/sightings, combined with ASW information BM = Bar Mill, for conveying newly cast billets from the EAF billet bank to the Bar Mill, with several later converted to; MC = Merchant Coil, converted from BM by removing the stanchions and fitting transverse baulks to carry wire coils, loaded "eye to side" . The ex-Murgatroyd/ICI tanks were initially converted and renumbered as follows :- BPCM77004 to BM509, later renumbered MC509 from 23/12/2000 BPCM77008 to BM507, entered ASW service 12/08/1990. BPCM77009 to BM516, entered ASW service12/09/1991 BPCM77010 to BM510, entered ASW service 05/08/1991, renumbered to MC510 from 17/11/2000 BPCM77011 to BM513, entered ASW service 16/08/1991 BPCM77012 to BM515, entered ASW service 03/09/1991, renumbered MC515 from 16/08/2000 BPCM77028 to BM511, BPCM77029 to BM508, later renumbered MC508 BPCM77032 to BM517, later renumbered MC517 BPCM77036 to BM514 BPCM77037 to BM512, entered ASW service 16/08/1991 BPCM77040 to BM518, later renumbered MC518 BPCM77041 to BM519, entered ASW service 17/10/1991 BPCM77042 to BM520, entered ASW service 17/10/1991 . The photos show; (i) BM509 ex-BPCM77004 on 'The Prairie' at Tremorfa, loaded with billets for the Bar Mill, circa 1990 (ii) BM519 ex-BPCM77041 - date and location as above. (iii) MC508 ex BM508, formerly BPCM77029 being shunted by 08854 at Channel Sidings, 12th. April 2002. (iv) MC512 ex-BM512, formerly BPCM77037 also at Channel Sidings, Cardiff Docks 12th. April, 2002. (v) MC518 ex-BM518, formerly BPCM77040, again at Channel Sidings on 12th. April, 2020. . All were cut up during the period ASW were in the handers of the receivers, none appear to have passed to Celsa (UK) . . Hope this helps, . Brian R
  10. The Cymmer Corrwg - Glyncorrwg and North/South Pit miners train, at Cymmer Corrwg, 1955 - with the clerestory rake then in use. .
  11. "North and South Rhondda Collieries Glyncorrwg circa 1954" by Derek Chaplin - Peter Brabham collection on Flickr.
  12. Don't forget, when you model a steelworks, the buildings are B-I-G . 08782 shunts the Tremorfa scrap bay, 18th. September 2008.
  13. Not really, no. . MB wagons were painted in many different colour schemes with no apparent reasoning eg MB484 had a yellow livery with black stripes (1990), but most were blue, then came those in green, and at least one was in the same grey as the CD wagons. . The fleet was always evolving . When Celsa (UK) took over the operation, virtually all the ASW wagons had been scrapped, so Celsa replaced the MB wagons with around two dozen BD series, all ex BDA wagons, which initially had their floors removed so you could see through the wagon underframes to the track below.
  14. Some former BR 'Plate' wagons next; . Photo 1 - shows LC742 (ex-B932468) sits in the ASW Splott Loop on 9th. May, 1995, still in BR livery and still fitted with its Coil 'E' / KEV end cradles. . Photo 2 - shows WC744 (ex-B934885) also at Splott Loop in January, 1998. The wagon has had its sides removed and transverse baulks fitted to permit loading wire coils 'eye to the side' . Photo 3 - shows LC754 (ex-B933102) at the Castle Works, 9th. March 1990 still looking for all the world as a Coil E / KEV BUT Photo 4 - shows WC754 (ex-B935458) at Splott Loop 22nd, January, 1998, a different donor wagon, hence the need to always check for a builders or number plate. . Hope these help ?
  15. The MB (Merchant Bar) wagons were a more diverse fleet than the 'almost' standardised CD (Cardiff Docks) series. . They were numbered MB410 - MB499 (with gaps) and comprised mainly ex-BR Bogie Plates, but also ex-LNER Bogie Bolster 'D', ex-LMS Bogie Bolster 'D', ex-BR Bogie Bolster 'D' , ex-GWR Bogie Bolster 'C' and a solitary ex-BR 'Flatrol EZ' formerly B900502. . Virtually all the pre-nationalisation wagons were bereft of their former builders plates, and it appears ASW and their predecessor GKN never kept records, making positive identification of these impossible. . Most BR built wagons retained their builders plates. . Over the years, the wagons were rebuilt, with different decks, bolsters, stanchions and some had additional angle iron welded to the truss rodding. . Photo 1 - shows an unidentified former 42 ton Bogie Plate, fitted with BR (WR) 'Plate' bogies, and 'open' style buffers. In the photo (taken 1990) it is parked alongside the 'foreshore' at Cardiff Docks freshly loaded with imported billets for rolling at the Castle Works (Cardiff Rod Mill). . Photo 2 - shows MB431, an unidentified former LNER 42 ton Bogie Bolster D at Channel sidings circa 1990. This wagon runs on diamond frame bogies, and also has the 'open' style buffers. MB431 also has been fitted with newer bolsters and stanchions. . Photo 3 - shows the deck and bolsters of MB438, another unidentified former LNER Bogie Bolster 'D' running on BR (WR) 'Plate' bogies and again fitted with 'open' style buffers. This 2002 photo was taken along the 'Fence Road' near the castle Works (Cardiff Rod Mill). . Photo 4 - shows MB492 (ex-B947259) parked on 'The Prairie' at Tremorfa in 1990. "Red Adder" BF975 and the corner of a former Warflat scrap box is also seen. The original EAF and its billet banks are behind BF975
  16. Let's start with the CD (Cardiff Docks) wagons . When they were first put into ASW service they retained their BR bolsters and stanchions. . This is shown (just) in the photo of CD647 (ex-B927777) seen at Channel Sidings, near the Q.A. Dock on 31st January, 1989. CD647 was later repainted red, renumbered CRM3 and then, just before liquidation was repainted grey and renumbered back to CD647 . Over time their bolsters became damaged and were replaced using steel channel etc as shown in the photo of CD652 (ex-B927638) stored, out of use 16 years later, at Channel Sidings on 31st. January, 2005 . Both wagons shown were running on BR 'Plateback' bogies, fitted with roller bearings. Others in the CD/CRM fleet ran on Davies & Lloyd bogies; my sightings and notes usually identified which bogies were fitted when I saw the wagons. . I'll move onto the MB wagons (a fleet that was a tad more involved) in my next post. . Brian R
  17. Greenwood & Batley Wks. 2002 aka "Greenbat" . Purchased by Cardiff Corporation to replace an Avonside 0-4-0ST when the council bought the Glamorganshire Canal, and this associated railway, in 1944. . Behind the loco is James Street swingbridge which spanned the canal's "sea lock pound", but such was its condition the council forbade its opening after around 1946. . The "sea lock pound" was drained in December, 1951 after the sand sucker 'Catherine Ethel' struck the lock gates. . The railway continued operating until 1963. . My father worked for Cardiff Corporation, at their Trade Street depot, and all hands would be called out regularly to help re-rail 'Greenbat' as it had pieces the size of a 'half crown' missing from its flanges, and would take off down Dumballs Road if a crossing flangeway was blocked. . Therefore, it was with some trepidation I was granted a cab ride, as our neighbour was the loco driver................but, I must have enjoyed it, as my next Christmas present was a Tri-ang 'steeple cab' loco. . "Greenbat" met her end, care of Western Metals of Ferry Road, Cardiff in 1965.
  18. ASW internal user BF978 a 'Red Adder' formerly tank wagon PR58708 and which was placed in service by ASW on 16th September, 1988. Used for conveying fragmented scrap aka 'frag' - from Birds and Slag Reduction, across Rover way and into the Tremorfa steel works. Here seen on 'The Prairie' at Tremorfa, 22nd. August, 2002. This area is now under the Celsa (UK) EAF 'melt shop' and scrap bay.
  19. Exactly 52 years ago Wednesday, 21st. January, 1970 . Duffryn Rhondda washery closes and the 15:45 Aberthaw – Duffryn Rhondda and return MGR service ceased. The MGR service now loading at Llynfi Junc. . Duffryn Rhondda – Cymmer Afan remained open to serve the loading of coal from a private mine. Arrangements planned for loading to be carried out at Cymmer and the branch closed. . Duffryn Rhondda was to be served twice weekly by the Cl.08 Glyncorrwg pilot . Glyncorrwg Colliery is due to close on 1st. May, 1970. . The only freight now working to Cymmer was the 22:45 ex Margam, returning at 02:00
  20. She was only the Admiral's daughter....................but her naval base was full of seamen ? . I sense a RMWeb suspension looming..............................
  21. The image below, gives very basic details of the ASW internal user fleet circa 1990, and the internal flows each type were used on. . Firstly, a brief description of each wagon type referred to in the image; there were other types in use at the same time, and the fleet was constantly changing with old wagons scrapped and replaced by new vehicles modified by ASW at their wagon shop (known as the "House of Holland") . ASW internal users were given a prefix followed by a fleet number. Some of the prefixes were logical, others were not, some even humorous Wagons bought from BR or Private Owners would be modified or converted for a specific traffic flow within, or between the two works and Cardiff Docks where ASW took over the shunting from BR during the early 90s. Many wagons would be modified a second, even third time by ASW as traffic flows altered, or to replace worn out or damaged wagons......this was a harsh environment, with little sentiment for 'rare wagons' even though certain members of the ASW traffic department staff were very, very pro-rail. Wagons could often be seen with odd bogies or bogies they didn't run on when owned by BR, and buffers would also change. The wagon repair staff were very adept at their jobs, and the 'House of Holland' had an excellent reputation. . The traffic centre at Tremorfa had a board, with cards for each wagon, and these cards were colour coded, to suit the various traffic flows. There was a move to paint the wagons the same colours as the cards, to make operations even smoother, but this seems to have peterd out. By the time of closure, ASW had a computerised system similar to, and possibly linked into TOPS (or whatever it was by then) which showed the location of every wagon in Tidal Sidings, Cardiff Docks, Tremorfa or the Castle Works and that included EWS and private owner wagons not just ASW stock. . SB (SB = Short Billet) - former TTA / TTB tank wagons, with the tanks removed and a sheet steel floor with bolsters and stanchions fitted. During the 1990s this fleet was increased by converting HEA hopper wagons, bought from the Celtic Energy washery, Onllwyn. . MB (MB = Merchant Bar) - mostly ex-BR 42 ton Bogie Plate wagons, and former LNER/LMS and BR 42 ton Bogie Bolster D wagons . P, J & TOR (TOR = Torbar)- a varied collection of former GWR and BR 30 ton Bogie Bolster 'C', Rectank, Warflat, LNER Bogie Bolster wagons. . MP - Rebodied former BR 16 ton mineral wagons, and 27 ton tipplers, used for internal scrap traffic mainly from the Castle Works (Cardiff Rod Mill) to the Tremorfa Steel Works. . BF (BF=Birds Fragmentisers) - Bogie scrap boxes built on Warflat wagons, and 4-wheeled 'Red Adders' ( similar to the POA 'Black Adders ) used on scrap metal traffic. The internal scrap carrying fleet of MP wagons were scrapped themselves in the early `1990s and replaced with a large number of redundant former network registered PDUF POA 'Black Adders' which were allocated the prefix KW (KW = Korky's Wagons after an ASW employee nicknamed Korky the Cat). . LC - former BR Plate wagons and their various coil conversions, eg Coil E or KEV A number of these wagons were modified a second time, and their prefix became WC (WC=Wide Coil) . SC (SC=Side Coil) - 15 wagons, all former BR 42 ton Bogie Plate wagons fitted with transverse wooden baulks, like sleepers, to carry wire coils 'eye to the side' . LLC as per SC above, these 11 wagons were later prefixed SC instead of LLC . CD (CD=Cardiff Docks) - 70+ general purpose wagons, all former BR Bogie Bolster 'D' wagons. N.B. 24 of the CD wagons were repainted red, and renumbered into the CRM series (CRM=Cardiff Rod Mill). Just before ASW went to the wall, the company started to renumber the CRM wagons back into the CD series, but the job was never completed. . This is a very general description of the fleet and their uses from 1990. . There were a number of oddball purchases during the late 80s and through the 90s, such as BR JZV 'Slabcoil' wagons for Bar Mill traffic, ex-BR 'Turbot' ballast wagons also for Bar & Section Mill traffic, former ICI bogie tanks, the tanks removed and again used for Bar Mill traffic. . Is this enough to start with ?
  22. He would have qualified after 22 years in our mob. . Which equates to 25 or 27 years in South Wales.
  23. Re; Hippo's tale of 'competing' agencies. . I have lost count of the number of operations I was involved over 40yrs where different departments, groups or agencies failed to cooperate or share intelligence or information. . All seemed to believe in "knowledge is power" . Whereas, "failing to plan, is, planning to fail" . . At the opposite end of the spectrum, another anecdote. . Together with my DI and DS we were looking out of the office window, into the street below when a car pulled up, and the well known local villain driving alighted and came into the station to sign his bail. . "He's a ******** disqualified driver", blurts out my boss, who instantly phones downstairs and tells a uniform PC to head off up the street, stop the scroat, and nick him for "driving whilst disqualified" (the power of arrest at that time was 'found committing' and 'in uniform'). . We watch as the bobby hot foots up the street, then the scroat gets into his car and moves off - to be immediately stopped by the officer. . A conversation takes place between the officer and the driver, before the car moves off and the officer returns to the station alone. . "What the ***" scream my DI who saw a bargaining chip and possible information disappearing off up the street. . The experienced PC was summoned to the office, to explain his lack of action. . "I told him he was disqualified, and went to arrest him, but he said - I'm a target for the Regional Crime Squad, and if you arrest me you'll blow their job !" . So the next day, when he came to sign bail, I nicked him !
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