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  1. Agreed. Russian military incompetence, however, goes back at least that far.
  2. The history of Ukraine has always been of a nation that wanted to be a nation, but never quite managed a sustained period as a sovereign state. In the period between Partition in the Eighteenth Century and the founding of the post-War Polish state, the history of the Poles has been similar, but at least they had their sustained and prolonged place in the sun with the Kingdom of Poland and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, conglomerations that included much of modern Ukraine. The Hetmanate was a brief period of semi-autonomy, but essentially every time Ukrainians played for independence by trying to set Poland-Lithuania against Muscovy (later Russia), with the Ottomans sometimes making up a third (the Crimea was a Tartar vassal of the Ottomans), they got stuffed. Essentially the Ukrainians had been putting up with not having a sovereign state since the 1240s, the point when the Mongols rode over the Kievan Rus, so you can quite see why, now they have an independent Ukraine, they are not minded to give it up. Slava Ukraini!
  3. True, but demeaning evil people by laughing at them is a legitimate tactic IMHO. Explicit evil has always been with us. It is handed down from one generation to another. Yet Putin, in so many ways another Hitler, proves that it is possible to be both evil and ridiculous at the same time.
  4. Well, the designer evidently thinks it will work!
  5. Has to be freestanding and removable
  6. Meanwhile, plans for the weekend include ..... CAD review of the latest WNR coach Commencing work upon these little beauties And approving plans for my new office. If you want to see the true face of megalomania, it's:
  7. Better than anything we could make up. Humiliating as it was, at least in the Cod War Britain was not defeated by the actual cod.
  8. I thought Numerancy was the forbidden magic of raising the dead. Speaking of which, I love your idea of the 1909 Wroxham Zombie Apocalypse too much to let it go!
  9. You doubt a railway link to all this? The connections run deeper than you know .... Thanks to Terry Pratchett (Marvel in the form of the MCU comes rather later with the idea) I've realised from the start that Castle Aching exists within the multiverse*. This means that, somewhere, the WNR actually exists. Needless to say, the Isle of Eldernell & Mereport Rly also exists. Somewhere. It also means that there are likely several iterations of West Norfolk, and the world, as we know it. In one such universe, Norfolk unfortunately suffered a localised Zombie outbreak on the Broads in 1909, as documented by an Honourable Member. In another, the Martian Invasion of Surrey actually occurred and, blocking the line at Woking, played havoc with the LSWR's service to all the company's major destinations. Fortunately, very few passengers actually noticed any difference. In yet another, in 1904, Imperial Germany staged an abortive invasion via The Wash, complete with a dash to seize the King at Sandringham to compel him to order the immediate surrender of Crown Forces. The King was saved and the invaders thwarted by the deliberate inundation of inland areas in their line of advance. This heroic episode was immortalised in the famous novel The Riddle of the Fens. Anyway, I have to go out now, just as soon as I've found my tin-foil-lined Bowler. * I'm perfectly prepared to allow maths to dictate reality where it provides a handy literary device. EDIT: See also
  10. Yes, I noticed that. IIRC there was some system of cadets - unbelievably I used to know this stuff - so you'd go from a military school to 'work experience' in a regiment or some such. These are Prussian Guards units (complete with heirloom Eighteenth Century grenadier caps). The core of Imperial Germany was Prussia, not without reason once described as not a State with and Army, but an Army with a State.
  11. Yes, this practice of a vermillion panel between the buffers, bordered by lining, crops up in quite a few companies' locomotive liveries.
  12. By which you mean GOP successor, of course. Yes, when I was young we used to laugh at Regan as a fool, then came George Dubya, and then ....
  13. No, I assure you, she's real Or, not to beat about the Bush, have you answered the wrong topic? I don't think anyone sensible would take issue with that, Don. For CA purposes, I was picking up on Hroth's point and sticking to a pre-Grouping analogy. Clearly Putin's strategy and modus operandi have greater and striking similarities with Hitler's and both are/were tyrants. Further, for years the West allowed itself to be complacent about Putin and its ability to accommodate this funny little man into our rules-based system, just as we did with Hitler. Indeed, in some quarters he and Mussolini were positively admired for the way they tackled the problems facing all nations, seemingly with more success than the broken democracies of the West; see the Daily Mail and its support for Fascism here and abroad in the 1930s and Donald Trump's admiration for Putin. Finally and decisively, the failure to discourage the tyrant sooner is a common factor: Rhineland, Anschluss, Czechoslovakia or Georgia, Syria, Crimea, Donbas .... But I think the wider consideration of Putin's war and it's parallels with Hitler's is best conducted on the Proceedings topic. Here I was interested in the point Hroth made about Edwardian Britain's perception of and reaction to the threat posed by the Kaiser's Germany. Besides, I have a bit of a 'thing' for the 'invasion literature' of the day.
  14. Spymania and Xenophobia, all very Daily Mail, and yet that is not to say Britain and its Empire and Europe did not face a very real threat that ultimately came to fruition. Without novels like Riddle of the Sands, the political climate for the re-armament that ultimately proved necessary may not have been there. Consider .... A powerful nation, an ascendant nation, with a strong military tradition and no significant democratic one, conscious of its decisive role and sacrifice in defeating a tyrant who had waged war across Europe, after which this victorious nation had become more powerful, with hawkish generals presiding over a much vaunted military, an illiberal autocratic regime and a leader piqued at the thought that neither he nor his great nation was being given the respect he felt they deserved. Putin's Russia? Yes, of course. But also Kaiser Bill's Germany. Both started a dreadful war. Hence the core lesson of history; when contemplating the horrors and blunders of the past, never complacently assume that something similar couldn't happen here, couldn't happen now.
  15. Given the apparent age, I would assume braked only on one side and I see no sign of brakes on the far wheel. Something like this ballast wagon kit could be readily adapted, though I ought to survey more options before deciding:
  16. Here is the photograph: Really only the locos shedded at Richmond for the construction of the Camp Railway in 1915 can claim legitimacy on the Richmond layout. Camp construction traffic could, presumably, go straight to the Camp Railway railhead from Catterick Bridge, without travelling down to Richmond, however, I was minded to allow some of these WD dropsides into Richmond yard. Subsequent traffic for the Camp would not go to Richmond and would presumably the Camp Railway marked the end of NER-hauled troop trains to Richmond. Richmond saw a lot of these pre-War, even before the camp was built, due to Territorial battalions coming up to have annual camps in the area.
  17. No worries. It happens to the best of us. And, indeed, to me.
  18. I concur. As to value, the GWR scattered them liberally over the Welsh locomotives it inherited; it seemed quite averse to letting any engine out of Swindon without a 'proper' valve bonnet. I am more sympathetic to the assertion that there was a repaint to brick red, for no other reason than it is an odd detail to come out with if there was no basis for it. One assumes someone remembers it running on the line in that colour. However, I cannot see a repaint immediately following the GWR out-shopping it in green. It might have run later at Catterick in red, but if one assumes it was there, not Longmoor, by 1921, then I suspect it ran there initially in green. I'm guessing GW green. I'm not easy to demean, 'cos I'm ever so 'umble! This is probably one of the photographically elusive WD wagons as the one clear view I've seen of one is, indeed, of a dropside; 3-plank, wooden u/f, marked 'W D'.
  19. I assume an assassin has been dispatched to Compound Towers .....
  20. "fictional"?!? Why did no one tell me?!? I feel imposed upon, and shall refused to believe it!
  21. You had to ask ..... Are you sitting comfortably? Then I'll begin. Some reminder of the back ground to this engine might not be amiss in explaining how it ended up on a military railway. The story of the famous 'Adams Radials' is, I think, fairly well-known. Originally on London commuter traffic and, like all engines introduced for that work, eventually superseded in the face of ever increasing train weights. Like the Brighton Terriers, there was the chance of a second-wind due to motor-train working, but the Radials proved not as successful as other available SW classes. Again, like the Terriers, there was a branch line that ensured the survival of a small minority of the class for a very long time. In general, however, the writing was on the wall and in 1913 25 class members were part of a cull of surplus engines. Progressively laid aside in the coming months, the traffic needs of the Great War granted them a reprieve and all but two of them were reinstated. We are concerned with one of those exceptions. The best known of the pair was and is 0488, a Neilson & Co loco of 1885. It went on the duplicate list in 1914 but did not re-enter traffic for the SW and was withdrawn in 1917. It went to the Ministry of Munitions and the East Kent Railway purchased it in 1919. The other one, lacking the Colonel Stephens connections and ultimate preservation, seems to be much less well known, but this is the one that interests us. This was 0424. As 424 it had been built in 1882 by Beyer Peacock and was placed on the duplicate list in 1904, hence 0424. You'll note that the locomotive pictured has the distinctive Beyer Peacock semi-circular build plate. After being laid aside, 0424 was overhauled and hired to the Woolmer Instructional Railway at Longmoor (forerunner of the LMR, of course) in October 1914 and bought in June 1916. Thereafter Eastleigh repaired the loco, out-shopped it in lined emerald green and lettered 'Military Camp Railways No 24' and it was sent to Fovant Military Railway. Towards the end of the war it returned to Longmoor. My source for all this is Bradley's RCTS volume, as I have managed to unearth this today (lucky guess as to which crate!). He states that in September 1919 the loco was laid aside pending heavy repairs. The War Dept. attempted to flog the engine back to the SW at this point. Urie was not keen and Eastleigh didn't seem to be able to accommodate the loco for repairs. Perhaps they were already over-stretched, perhaps they feared getting stuck with it! Enter Swindon. The WD sent the Radial off to a proper railway works in November 1920. Bradley states that Swindon fitted a Great Western pattern safety valve cover and out-shopped MCR 424 in dark green paint with red lining. Now Bradley has 424 spend the next 3 years at Longmoor, then offered for sale as scrap and last seen rotting in a siding near Erith in 1924. What?!? Yes, no mention of the time spent on the Catterick Camp Railway, yet the photographs show she was there. In searching for the missing part of 424's history, we find that the plot thickens in relation to the non-Adams safety valve cover. Turning to A J Ludlam's Oakwood volume: Before arrival at Catterick it was overhauled by the NER, fitted out with one of their standard safety valve covers and painted brick red with the '0' of its number painted out. It is further stated that 424 remained at Catterick until 1925, but thereafter may have gone to Erith. So, we have some problems. Was it green or was it red? Did it last until 1924 or 1925? I have at least one issue with Ludlam's account. He does not mention the previous history with the MCR. He notes that all the other Camp Railway locos were painted black and that 424 does not seem to have been numbered in the WD list. That is correct, but he doesn't seem to know why; it's in the MCR list due to the unmentioned prior history and so never wore WD black or a WD number. His account implies, however, that the loco came straight from the LSWR to the Camp Railway in 1916, carrying the SW's duplicate list's number, which had to be painted out. This seems incredibly unlikely in the light of its previous history as related by Bradley. Surely it would have been renumbered when allegedly repainted red by the NER. Thus, I think this account lacks coherence, although it does not follow that all its details are incorrect. As for the safety valve? Does that look like a NER "standard" or a "Great western pattern" safety valve cover to you? I have my views, but provided I model something that looks like the one in the pictures, it doesn't really matter. What does matter is the colour of the loco whilst at Catterick. Does the answer to the safety valve question suggest the colour 424 wore? Not necessarily. So, which? Brick Red or Dark Green? Another point is that Ludlam credits 424 with "prodigious feats" with troop trains. Now troop trains, especially during the War (though 424 was not there during the War) might comprise any company's stock. Troops came to train at Catterick from all over*. Unlike the Beyer Peacock 2-4-0T, WD No.94, I see no evidence that 424 was Westinghouse fitted or dual fitted, so it could not have worked NER stock. Ludlam has 424 as the train engine and 94 as the banker on heavy troop trains; one a vac-fitted loco, the other fitted for air brakes? * I came from London, but on my own, probably via the ECML to Darlington and thence via taxi, but I was way too hung-over to remember.
  22. They also had the Daily Mail, too, so, yes, fair enough. And they also had their version of the BREXIT debate, in the form of free trade v. tariff reform. Logically only one side could be right about the benefits of its policy, so one side must have been deluded and deluding. Plus ça change .... But the fold in the map and the West Norfolk Railway are real! Cling to that certainty, for all else is illusion!
  23. We seem to be going round in circles. However, I assume you mean red buffer beams, as red brake ends were nowhere near universal. Point us to legislation mandating that. Of any kind. A BoT recommendation is not legislation. Of any kind. But I'd like to be pointed to one, nonetheless. I am aware of Acts in 1841 and 1868, IIRC, that conferred only specific powers/mandates specific things. Thus, you are not addressing the point that, in the period you were talking about (pre-1889 Act) the BoT had no power to make law, as only that latter Act conferred upon the BoT to make Orders, i.e. secondary legislation. If there is a BoT recommendation for red buffer beams, and I have conceded from the start that that is a reasonable supposition, I'd still like chapter and verse before it is admitted as a fact. It is not necessarily the case, however, that the practice could only have arisen as a result of an injunction from the BoT. Further, the BoT would have had no power to compel, so, if the practice became "almost universal" on a voluntary basis, that suggests nearly all companies thought it was a good idea. It could be that such an obviously sensible, yet inexpensive, safety feature was adopted without the need of a BoT recommendation. What about other "almost universal" practices adopted from the mid-century. How many railway companies used red signal arms? Did they do it because it was an obvious warning colour, or did they do it because the BoT opined that they should? Either could be true, as in the case of red buffer beams or brake ends. It would, indeed, be good to know which.
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