Black 5 No. 44677

[Jamie]

Tripped over this one today, an example for anyone looking for a 'different' Black 5 for their fleet.

http://georgestrainpics.fotopic.net/p64127459.html

http://georgestrainpics.fotopic.net/p64127509.html

 

At first glance it looks like a low sided BR standard tender, but it's not. It seems to be a Stanier tender with the upper 'fairings' cut away.

It's seen again here: http://jaspersrailphotographs.fotopic.net/p48910623.html which I think is at the north end of Dumfries, seen from the southbound platform.

 

All the above shots are undated so far as I can determine, but Robert Carroll has a 1967 shot on Flickr:

and Dave F has it in late '66 on Fotopic: http://davesyorkshirerailwayarchive.fotopic.net/p58604628.html

in which it tows a bog-standard tender. These shots must be later on account of the top lamp bracket having been lowered.

 

Intriguing modification.

[Guest Max Stafford]

It's a self-weighing tender, Jamie. There were only a handful made and they were generally used for testing purposes. By the late stage of the Kingmoor photos though, I imagine it was just being used in a stop-gap capacity and knowing the antics of the Kingmoor maintenance team then, it was quite possibly 'borrowed' from another loco.

Britannias were particularly prone to such acts and at times as far as tenders were concerned it was a bit like one of those parties where everybody throws their car keys on the table!

I went to one of those once and ended up with an AA box on the M74...

 

Dave.

[Guest Phil]

Tripped over this one today, an example for anyone looking for a 'different' Black 5 for their fleet.

http://georgestrainp.../p64127459.html

http://georgestrainp.../p64127509.html

 

At first glance it looks like a low sided BR standard tender, but it's not. It seems to be a Stanier tender with the upper 'fairings' cut away.

It's seen again here: http://jaspersrailph.../p48910623.html which I think is at the north end of Dumfries, seen from the southbound platform.

 

All the above shots are undated so far as I can determine, but Robert Carroll has a 1967 shot on Flickr: http://www.flickr.co...cwp/3865644436/

and Dave F has it in late '66 on Fotopic: http://davesyorkshir.../p58604628.html

in which it tows a bog-standard tender. These shots must be later on account of the top lamp bracket having been lowered.

 

Intriguing modification.

 

 

Jamie

Is that not one of LMS or BR's self-weighing tenders ?

 

There were a number built and married to various locos.

 

Maybe wrong, but that is what I think it is

[Guest Phil]

i've just google "self weighing tender" and found these shots of 45298 ;

 

http://www.rgreen.org.uk/Pic4.html

http://www.rgreen.org.uk/Pic3.html

[Jamie]

Cool, that's a new one on me

[pH]

As has been said, there were a few of these self-weighing tenders, which were attached to different Stanier 5s at different times. As well as 44677 and 45298, at least 44697, 44971 and 44986 ran with them. Here’s 44697 from the back, and another photo of 45298, taken from the same angle.

 

Other regions had versions of this type of tender, too. A couple of photos of a WR one behind 7018 here and here. And 4 similar tenders were built for use behind ex-LNER designs from 1951 onwards. These were mostly used behind B1s (about a dozen different engines had them at various times), but they were also matched with some K1s.

[asmay2002]

There were 4 self weighing tenders of this type built.

 

44677 had self weighing tender 10837 from 12/50 - 3/52 and then again from 5/52 - 11/62 so actually 44677 ran like this for much of its life.

 

Other Black 5's which had them long term were

 

4986/44986 10/46 - 12/63 and 1/64 - 5/67

4971/44971 8/47 - 2/58

45298 1/58 - 9/67

44697 1/51 - 11/67

 

There were several others which had them for shorter periods. All of the above from LMS Locomotive profiles No 6. (Wild Swan)

 

And yes they would make an interesting model.

[f#m]

As has been said, there were a few of these self-weighing tenders, which were attached to different Stanier 5s at different times. As well as 44677 and 45298, at least 44697, 44971 and 44986 ran with them. Here’s 44697 from the back, and another photo of 45298, taken from the same angle.

 

Other regions had versions of this type of tender, too. A couple of photos of a WR one behind 7018 here and here. And 4 similar tenders were built for use behind ex-LNER designs from 1951 onwards. These were mostly used behind B1s (about a dozen different engines had them at various times), but they were also matched with some K1s.

 

There's a picture of one behind a B1 here

http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/n/northampton_bridge_street/index.shtml

[Leander]

The position of the top feed is also a bit of an oddity given that 44677 was a long wheel base Black 5 and the 'usual' top feed position for those was on the front boiler ring. St Rollox carried out some non-orthodox boiler swaps of this type (and vice versa) so, given that this was a Kingmoor engine, it may well have received this boiler upon overhaul in Glasgow.

 

Doesn't the top feed look like a srange shape too?

 

And the S-W Tender has some similarities to the part-welded LMS 4000 gallon tender, with outside sieve boxes fitted.

[Guest Belgian]

As has been said, there were a few of these self-weighing tenders, which were attached to different Stanier 5s at different times. As well as 44677 and 45298, at least 44697, 44971 and 44986 ran with them. Here’s 44697 from the back, and another photo of 45298, taken from the same angle.

 

Other regions had versions of this type of tender, too. A couple of photos of a WR one behind 7018 here and here. And 4 similar tenders were built for use behind ex-LNER designs from 1951 onwards. These were mostly used behind B1s (about a dozen different engines had them at various times), but they were also matched with some K1s.

The Southern had just one - a Merchant Navy 6000 gallon tender was modified with self-weighing equipment and ran behind various members of the class during the 1950s. No doubt it helped prove what they all knew - that Bulleid Pacifics had a voracious appetite for coal!

 

JE

[bike2steam]

i've just google "self weighing tender" and found these shots of 45298 ;

 

http://www.rgreen.org.uk/Pic4.html

http://www.rgreen.org.uk/Pic3.html

 

Thanks Phil, Hornby Black 5 as 45298 is waiting it's turn in my 'works'

 

The Southern had just one - a Merchant Navy 6000 gallon tender was modified with self-weighing equipment and ran behind various members of the class during the 1950s. No doubt it helped prove what they all knew - that Bulleid Pacifics had a voracious appetite for coal!

 

JE

 

But the compensation was the Bulleids had the most efficient boiler.