Adrian Wintle Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I posted a couple of these in the Rapido area, but I thought I'd put them in a more appropriate area and add to them. First we have the rail-served grain elevator in Kingston, Ontario. It was used as a collecting point for local grain to be transferred onto lake freighters. By the early '80s it was no longer being used for its original purpose, but Canada Steamship Lines was using it as a place to store out-of-service ships. It has since been torn down and the approach area is a housing development. In December 1983: Metis, Hochelaga, and two others (one stern in). Edit: The outboard ship may be one of the Fort class (but not Fort William, which was converted to the Stephen B Roman in 1982) In June 1984: Metis, Hochelaga, and Nipigon Bay In July 1985: Metis, Hochelaga, Nipigon Bay, T R McLagan, and Whitefish Bay Detail of the ships in 1985: Whitefish Bay T R McLagan Nipigon Bay Metis and Hochelaga more to come... Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted December 16, 2014 Author Share Posted December 16, 2014 Now something a bit more modern, the ESSROC ship Stephen B Roman, outbound from the cement works at Picton, Ontario in Sept 2013 - taken from the Glenora ferry. This is one of her regular stops - I have a similar photo from 2012. Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted December 16, 2014 Author Share Posted December 16, 2014 Unknown container ship in Montreal, Oct 2011. Grain elevators in Montreal Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted December 16, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 16, 2014 Very interesting to see the historic photos of Great Lakes shipping & the massing effects with telephoto lens. How much shipping traffic is there now on the Lakes? Recent visits to Milwaukee & Toronto in bad weather I've not seen a ship. Dava Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davknigh Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 A visit to this site http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/will tell you the traffic at any time of year. Just zoom in on the area of your choice and hover your cursor over the ship in question to find out all details and get pics as well. Containers have knocked the stuffing out of shipping on the Great Lakes, I used to work in Toronto harbour from the late 60s to the late 70s and the decline quite rapid. It went from ships sitting out in the lake waiting for a berth to nothing for weeks on end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted December 16, 2014 Author Share Posted December 16, 2014 There is still specialist traffic like the Stephen B Roman and the English River (which I thought I had a photo of) that picks up cement from the Lafarge plant near Millhaven, Ontario. There is also a fair amount of bulk traffic (grain, ore) coming from Lake Superior (Duluth/Superior and Thunder Bay) to Montreal or to the industrial ports.. You can still see the occasional ship going in or out of Hamilton, Ontario. Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Reichert Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Grain elevators in Montreal 2011-10-25 Montreal.jpg Adrian Something from my childhood is shouting "Welwyn Garden City on a rainy day". Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyDuty Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 A visit to this site http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/will tell you the traffic at any time of year. Just zoom in on the area of your choice and hover your cursor over the ship in question to find out all details and get pics as well. Containers have knocked the stuffing out of shipping on the Great Lakes, I used to work in Toronto harbour from the late 60s to the late 70s and the decline quite rapid. It went from ships sitting out in the lake waiting for a berth to nothing for weeks on end. You might want to be careful with this link - I checked it out from work and sent my IT staff into a tizzy. Something about communicating with known malicious sites - apparently some frame on their website is trouble. YMMV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davknigh Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 You might want to be careful with this link - I checked it out from work and sent my IT staff into a tizzy. Something about communicating with known malicious sites - apparently some frame on their website is trouble. YMMV. Hmm, the only dodgy thing I've noticed is the 'celebrity gossip' link in which I have no interest. Were your boffins more specific or just generally upset? Yahoo groups have similar links on their pages which is why I gave them up, horrible .gifs with weeping celebs and worse. Cheers, David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted December 17, 2014 Author Share Posted December 17, 2014 The black mounds on the left side of the Sept 1983 photo are mounds of road salt covered with black plastic. Here is the location today. The curved breakwater is new, and was part of a plan to build a marina there. https://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll=44.218031,-76.536255&spn=0.011749,0.019205&t=h&z=16 This is the Picton cement plant. The ship just docks alongside the cliff. There is an ore dock (formerly rail served, now unused) just south west of it. https://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll=44.049103,-77.115784&spn=0.047131,0.076818&t=h&z=14 This is the Lafarge cement dock, still in use. https://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll=44.163797,-76.80203&spn=0.00588,0.009602&t=h&z=17 This is a dock for the the oil (asphalt) storage tanks, although I haven't seen a ship there in a long time. I think it is solely rail-supplied these days. https://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll=44.204074,-76.709182&spn=0.005876,0.009602&t=h&z=17 Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugsley Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 This is a dock for the the oil (asphalt) storage tanks, although I haven't seen a ship there in a long time. I think it is solely rail-supplied these days. https://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll=44.204074,-76.709182&spn=0.005876,0.009602&t=h&z=17 Complete with roundy-roundy trainset just to the North West Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted December 17, 2014 Author Share Posted December 17, 2014 Complete with roundy-roundy trainset just to the North West Yes, that is the UTDC/Bombardier test track for the linear induction rapid transit trains used in the TTC Scarborough RT, the Detroit People Mover, and the Vancouver Skytrain. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarborough_RT Just east of that is the location of the minimalist loco stabling that I posted pictures of before http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/70136-minimalist-locomotive-stabling/ , and the big brown patch used to be the Celanese Fibres plant, now demolished. Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 A few pictures from an earlier time - all taken on the Welland Canal in August 1968. Two lakers about to pass in the canal. I think the closer one is the 'Gleneagles'. The next two are definitely of the 'Gleneagles'. The notes on the back of the prints say the first one is entering a lock, and the second is leaving the lock. Finally, the ocean-going freighter 'Jalarajam'. An Indian ship, hence the bow decoration. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted December 18, 2014 Author Share Posted December 18, 2014 For a real thrill, you can drive under a laker at the Beauharnois locks (southwest of Montreal) https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.3146145,-73.9220176,3a,75y,112.39h,93.84t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1siJtNZQ7OtZkpL4cLTDzEdw!2e0 I have driven through when there was a ship in the lock. Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB-AU Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 A public domain photo of a rather famous one. CheersDavid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted December 18, 2014 Author Share Posted December 18, 2014 A public domain photo of a rather famous one. Edmund_Fitzgerald-USACE.jpg Cheers David https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vST6hVRj2A Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted December 18, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 18, 2014 There is still quite a large bulk carrier sector in the lakes, two of our larger North American clients are CSL and Algoma and both have been building new bulkers for Lakes trades. The Algoma Equinox class and CSL Trillium class ships are something of a step change for them in terms of technology. A lot of lakers have very long lives, partially as a result of operating in a fresh water environment and partially because on the US side the Jones Act makes newbuilding hideously expensive. I used to do torsional vibration calculations and every now and again I'd get a job for an engine builder that had gone defunct 30 or 40 years ago and it was invariably a laker being modified for further life. Which in a way is positive as if people are worried about the environment then a massive part of the environmental impact of shipping (as with most things) is manufacture and scrapping/recycling so maximising the life of equipment tends to be more eco friendly than the claims of some companies to be saving the planet by replacing their assets with marginally more efficient ones on a regular basis, especially when emissions abatement and such like can be retro-fitted, engines upgraded to reduce fuel burn, more efficient props fitted etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted December 18, 2014 Author Share Posted December 18, 2014 For the current fleets on the Great Lakes: http://www.boatnerd.com/pictures/fleet/ Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 I like the shape of the classic Great Lakes freighters, but I find the the more modern land/railway side of the operations just doesn't grab me, Hullett loaders excepted (but they are huge and have been done) Now if you go back in time a bit... Click to embiggen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyDuty Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Hmm, the only dodgy thing I've noticed is the 'celebrity gossip' link in which I have no interest. Were your boffins more specific or just generally upset? Yahoo groups have similar links on their pages which is why I gave them up, horrible .gifs with weeping celebs and worse. Cheers, David It appears to have been one of the embedded adverts leading to a malicious website, not the site itself. I'm taking the safe route and only viewing the site on my iPad in the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB-AU Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Another famous one is the SS St. Marys Challenger, launched in 1906 and retired in 2013. She was the last lake freighter powered by steam, but her hull will live on as a barge.https://www.flickr.com/photos/cws_flikr/10897448905/ CheersDavid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bon Accord Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Another famous one is the SS St. Marys Challenger, launched in 1906 and retired in 2013. She was the last lake freighter powered by steam, but her hull will live on as a barge. https://www.flickr.com/photos/cws_flikr/10897448905/ Cheers David It's interesting that she lasted as long as she did, although it can be seen from the previous posts just how old some of the ships were. ST MARYS CHALLENGER was one of the newer (steam turbine) jobs until only a decade or so ago, as even then there were still a few triple expansion lakers still kicking around! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsp3970 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 When I went to Brock University in St.Catharines I used to go explore the old canal locks. If you know where to look there are quite a few of them. I also used to go and drive alongside the canal, crossing on the vertical lift bridges. Talking about bridges I take it you guys have seen the video on Youtube of the 'Windoc' hitting the Allenburg bridge. I used to drive across this bridge quite often back in the early 1990's! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB-AU Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 It's interesting that she lasted as long as she did, although it can be seen from the previous posts just how old some of the ships were. In fresh water there isn't much problem with corrosion, even less of a problem in waters that are so cold for most of the year. A working life of 50 or 60 years was nothing unusual. Many more could have lasted a lot longer than they did but simply couldn't compete with larger freighters. Cheers David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bon Accord Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 In fresh water there isn't much problem with corrosion, even less of a problem in waters that are so cold for most of the year. A working life of 50 or 60 years was nothing unusual. Many more could have lasted a lot longer than they did but simply couldn't compete with larger freighters. Cheers David The local conditions plus of course the Jones Act has helped to ensure many US merchant ships have very long lives. For the "salties" MARAD requirements on speed and the like (in case of war) ensured the US was still building steam cargo and passenger ships well into the 70s, by which point the rest of us had gone to diesels. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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