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Great site and well maintained by Miss Prism now.......

I've seen that Bulmers imported apples from France and transported them by rail from the docks to their plant. It seems initially they used HTO/HTV hoppers. I was wondering:

1) Was there a consistent number of wagons in each rake?

2) Were the hoppers covered or left open?

3) Any consistent motive power on the freights?

 

I know later they used ferry wagons however this seems to be a little late for my interest (late 60s/early 70s).

 

Thanks,

 

Tim.

Hi Tim

Between 1964-1966, not sure of the exact year, Bulmers ran short of cider apples and brought in a train of open wagons filled and uncovered to Barton Station.

Hope this helps.

Mike Spence

An additional follow up question.  Is there any difference between the Saint and Castle class driving wheels?  They seem to be the same diameter and number of spoke unless I've misunderstood

 

David

Hi David,

Yes there is a difference.  Check out this website:

https://www.ultrascale.uk/eshop/products/CAT001

Lists the three types of 6' 8 1/2" driving wheels

Mike Spence

Shawplan Lazerglase

 

I don't know this supplier and I'm not getting on very well with the website.  I'm looking for illustrations.

 

It seems to me that if one is dissatisfied with RTR glazing, this has more to do with the thickness of the plastic body than anything else.  In other words, if your prototype was not 'flush glazed' what you really would like to do is file down the inside of the RTR coach until placing the window material behind it produces the right pre-flushglaze effect .  I see why SE Flushglaze went the way they did, but it leaves a kind of bulbous effect, regardless of whether you set them back or press them in fully.

 

In other words, if the thickness of the plastic was less, then the standard RTR method would be OK.  The new Hornby Colletts are fine in this respect, IMO..

SHAWPLAN 2 Upper Dunstead Road, Langley Mill, Nottingham NG16 4GR http://www. shawplan.com 01773 718648

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Mike Spence

Apologies Mike - that sounds a very specific year / era - do you post details on here?

 

Regards, Neal.

Hi Neal,

Not at all.

The era is 1907-1914 from the first built to the last one in 1914.

Mike Spence

Great to see a poll for toplights……………….. unfortunately not so good if you model pre Great War!

As my modeling is fixed at August 1914,  the majority of Diagrams needed are not in the list so I am left with 2 or 3 choices so unable to poll.

The following list has been taken from Jim Russell’s books:

Class                      Diagram                  Year

1^{st                               A9                                1908}

^{1st                               A10                              1914}

^{3rd                               C28                              1907}

^{3rd                               C29                              1909}

^{3rd                               C30                              1910}

^{3rd                               C31                              1911-13}

^{Brake 3rd                    D45                              1908-09}

^{Brake 3rd                    D46                              1910-11}

^{Brake 3rd                    D47                              1911-22}

^{Brake 3rd                    D48                              1910}

^{Brake 3rd                    D49                              1911}

^{Brake 3rd                    D51                              1912-13}

^{Brake 3rd                    D52                              1912-22}

^{Brake 3rd                    D57                              1914}

^{Brake Compo             E82                              1907-08}

^{Brake Compo             E83                              1907}

^{Brake Compo             E87                              1910}

^{Brake Compo             E94                              1912}

^{Brake Compo             E95                              1913}

^{Brake Compo             E99                              1914}

^{Compo                        E85                              1908-09}

^{Compo                        E88                              1911-12}

^{Compo                        E93                              1912-13}

^{Compo                        E98                              1914}

^{Slip                              F14                              1908}

^{Slip                              F15                              1909}

^{Kitchen                       H16                              1908}

^{Brake                          K18                              1911}

^{Brake                          K19                              1914}         

^{If I have transcribed in error I apologize in advance as I have mislaid my Michael Harris tome.}

^{Mike Spence}

I could be wrong but I thought that the lot A112 Intermediate tenders were 3500 gallon capacity.

 

I believe that one of them ran behind a 2251 and is pictured in the GWR Journal issue (issue 24 or 25 IIRC) on the class. I think it was 3207. That is the only photo I can think of off the top of my head. That is, assuming I am not getting my tender types muddled (bit of a minefield).

it was taken into stock. I do not think a rebuilt tender could have 

been used since no 4000 gallon tenders were built before 1900 and I 

think it unlikely that one would come in for major work so soon. Of the 

total number built, the last 4 were built between 1902-1904 specifically 

for engines 97, 98, 100 & 171. That leaves tender nos: 1456-61 (built 

in 1900) and 1509-18 (built in 1901) as the only possible candidates. I 

find it hard to believe that a company as frugal as the GW kept 

expensive tenders lying about waiting for engines to be coupled to for 

years so logic would suggest that a 4000 gallon tender was not used.

Do we know what locos tenders 1456-1461 (blt 1900) and 1509-1518 (blt 

1901) were paired with? I guess it is possible that one of these tenders 

came into Swindon Works because its loco needed work and so it was 

paired with "La France" 102?

This is from Raymond Walley The Great Western Railway email list

who is building 102 La France as delivered in 1903, so, hoping collective wisdom will help.

Mike Spence

There is also a Dean 4,000 gallon tender. Looks similar to intermediate but flush rivetted and minor detail differences.

 

Mike Wiltshire

Hi Mike,

Quite late in following up, util today I did not realise that Dean/Churchward produced a 4000 gallon tender.

Specificallly I am after the number of the 4000g tender attached to 102 La France in 1903.

Any help please?