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25 minutes ago, EddieB said:

Yes, Fairburn, with various building dates given during the 1850s.  It was preserved in working order for a long time at Braga, then moved to store at Nine before going to Entroncamento a couple of years ago.   I believe there is an intention to move it again, nearer to its sphere of operation (Minho-Douro), but when I checked (before visiting in 2022) such plans weren't immediate.

 

A shot on my web site taken outdoors when the 1850's 2-2-2T was displayed at Braga:

1 hour ago, EddieB said:

13 hours ago, Gordonwis said:

There were loads of British built locos in Turkey both on the state railways and in industry. I recall visiting a sugar factory which used a Darlington built saddle tank... 

Turkiye Seker Fabrikalari/Turhal Sugar Factory using an 0-6-0ST built by Robert Stephenson & Hawthorns (RSH 7310/1947)?

Thank you for putting the record straight. There were actually very few British outline locomotives in Turkey. The one that you've defined was the only one at a sugar factory. There were a few *very few) solatary examples at coal mines and about half the fleet at a steel mill was British. Within the large postwar TCDD steam fleet only the twenty 8F's were of British outline.   

1 hour ago, Trainnoob said:

The Turkish Republic railways 45151 Class was The LMS stainer black 5

It was an 8F, not a Black 5.

41 minutes ago, Allegheny1600 said:

This film also shows a couple of nice clips of the LNER electric loco "Tommy" operating as well as numerous native Dutch built machines - which to my eye, have a rather British look to them.

Much of the Dutch steam fleet had British origins, John. Here's a link to my collection of pre-war Dutch negatives on my web site ……..

https://mikemorant.smugmug.com/Trains-Railway-overseas/Europe/Dutch-Railways/Holland-Nederland-1/

Mike M.

Here's a plate from a Wonder Book of Railways from the WW1 era, of a British built 4-4-0 hauling the Great Indian Peninsular Railway's Vice-Regal train. It gives no more information about the loco, although it seems to have decidedly Midland looks with a touch of Great Eastern around the cab - perhaps!

Looking back through the thread - belatedly, to see if anyone else had uploaded this plate, I saw a very similar Dubs loco in one of the early posts. The outside frame on the bogie seemed to be the main difference, although this Indian one would have been on their broader gauge.

GIPR 4-4-0 on Vice Regal Train c 1915.jpg

For what it's worth, I think the loco is one of the 15 Kitson built C5 class dating from 1896 - 1898.

Readers of this thread might be interested in viewing my (very) small collection of pre-partition original negatives .........

https://mikemorant.smugmug.com/Trains-Railway-overseas/Asian-railways/Indian-railways-archive/Indian-pre1947/

My Dutch web galleries also feature plenty of British built locos ..............

Pre-WW2          https://mikemorant.smugmug.com/Trains-Railway-overseas/Europe-Scandinavia/Dutch-Railways/Holland-Nederland-1/

Post-war           https://mikemorant.smugmug.com/Trains-Railway-overseas/Europe-Scandinavia/Dutch-Railways/Holland-2-Nederland/

These images are all in the British heritage gallrt on my web site at https://mikemorant.smugmug.com/Trains-Railways-British-Isles/Heritage/Heritage-pre-1972-on-BR/

Rgds,

Mike M.

The angled lines that look like digital interference are actually rain of the stair rods variety.

Especially welcome photos & sources of information from books & articles on any of these:

 

Bankfoot Light Railway

Cairn Valley Light Railway to Moniaive

Campbeltown & Machrihanish Light Railway (narrow gauge)

Carmyllie Light Railway (passenger service)

Cromarty and Dingwall Light Railway (not completed or opened)

Dornoch Light Railway

Fraserburgh & St Combs Light Railway

Lauder Light Railway

Leadhills and Wanlockhead Light Railway

Maidens and Dunure Light Railway

Wick & Lybster Light Railway

The image from an original negative that I selected for my web site's "Picture of the Week" this week (2015/29) features ARGYLL on the C&MLR at Campbeltown:

https://mikemorant.smugmug.com/Picture-of-the-week/PotW-2015/i-3DD59dr/A

The thumbnail images for this year's PotW's is: https://mikemorant.smugmug.com/Picture-of-the-week/PotW-2015/

Mike M.

https://mikemorant.smugmug.com/

Tyndrum Lower, looking East

 

Paul

Thanks for that, Paul. Appreciated.

Mike

And another shot of the same loco but in Caledonian livery but does anyone recognise the station where it was taken?

Thank you, gentlemen. Yes, that is a footbridge in the background and so Connel Ferry it is.

Mike M.

Now that we are back 'on topic' I wish to firstly express my gratitude to you all for the volume of visits to the Scottish section of my web site. The web site is finacially a dead loss and the self-gratification is derived from both the number of image 'hits' as well as the immense contributions of background data that are provided by the site's viewers.

Secondly  - and it wasn't my original intention -   I wonder if this forum's members would be prepared to help me with identifying locations and/or dates for some of the many undeocumented negatives that I have here and haven't yet uploaded to the web. I'ev been restoring pre-nat and pre-group Scottish material recently and have a few with no supporting notes other than the engine numbers and sometimes a date which often turns out to from the realms of fiction. One such example is shown below. The engine numbers are 14622 & 14763 and the sleeve states that it was taken in 1936 can anyone here name the location please?

Mike M.

 

It would be really nice if this thread could gently drift back on topic. I will nudge it a long with this period image;

 

Ex Caledonian 2P on GNSR territory as it works a short branch passenger through Claterinbrigg.

 

John

 

Thank you, John. Appreciated.

Mike M.

Mike.

I am just concerned that there can be problems using pictures online. Who exactly owns the original? I have duplicate pictures in my collection with different copyright stamps on the back. I think that anything in pregroup livery is now well out of copyright no matter who owns the negative or negatives.

Another group which I am a member of was recently caught up in an online copyright fankle which cost quite lot of money to put right.

Ian

Ian,

Thank you following this up but please don't concern yourself on my behalf considerate though that is.

Original images (be they negatives or transparencies) are recycled on a considerable scale and that has been the case for decades but you seem to be unaware of that publicly accessible market. It isn't a secret brotherhood or anything of that kind. Perhaps we should be devoting more attention to the internet sellers of such material who have no interest in the subject matter, in transport or in us but buy the material from the same sources as I do for sums that most of us can't afford and then resell to heaven knows whom for huge profits and always claim that they are selling "with copyright" which is absolute rubbish. Even the main source doesn't mention the 'C' word in its sales blurb!

There was a recent (only a fortnight ago) stream of postings on the SEmG e-group on this subject. The reason for that isn't being mentioned here because it doesn't pertain to Scotland but the only two postings which stood out were (paraphrased):

• If such a case ended up in court then m'lud would almost certainly dismiss it, award the costs to the plaintiff and consign him to seven days in jankers for wasting the court's time.
• If the letter of the law was applied right across the board then our beloved monthly archive magazines and all those erudite books we love so much would wither on the vine almost overnight. 

Your comment concerning the length of copyright is correct and the follow-up message is sadly ill-informed. The copyright on original material made prior to 1/1/1945 died a natural death on 31/1/1994 under the 50 year rule. The 70 year rule quoted in that same recent posting does not apply to pre-war images and the web link in that posting leads one to a very misleading guide. It isn't wrong but it's a long way from being helpful. Try this one instead: http://www.semgonline.com/copyright.html which was compiled with the able assistance of copyright lawyers.

Lastly, it is no surprise that you have the same printed image attributed to different people. Some of my collection has beeen through at least four ownerships in its lifetime and there'll be at least one more after I become daisy food.   

Rgds,

Mike M.

An interesting collection but I wonder if you hold copyright to them all ? There are pictures included which I already have in my collection and I would think twice about putting them online.

Ian.

All the images on my web site are derived directly from negatives (glass as well as acetate) and transparencies. I never claim copyright (I could with the pictures that I took myself but choose to not do so) but I do own the original photographers' material and never scan from prints. If you, too, believe that you have identical negatives and/or slides in your own collection then there is obviously an isssue to be addressed.

Mike M.

I’ve just been trawling through this topic and have been awestruck by the quality of the models in the photos. I’m not and never have been a modeller myself but have concentrated on collecting negatives (and slides) of prototypes which are gradually being added to my SmugMug web site. Because I’ve had an interest in Scottish steam for as long as I can remember it figures strongly in my collection and I wondered if this would be an appropriate place to share this part of my collection:

http://tinyurl.com/q4dgbmx

Regards,

Mike M.

Herewwith, one hopes, a profile image of GSR 850.

Mike M.