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I now have to derail this thread. I understand people repeatedly saying "Why not just build a kit", but isn't it entirely possible that people will enjoy their model railway in different ways? That perhaps some folks don't want to spend a 3 figure sum on something that they may cock up the first time around instead of simply just wanting to enjoy their train set? Everyone gets something different out of the hobby, I build wagons from kits and it's what I enjoy, but I don't think I'd ever be all that inclined to build a loco kit as it's beyond my skill level, something that I could easily get wrong and have all that money go right down the drain; this is something that can put a lot of people off, and to have this kind of attitude towards people who perhaps have a set budget for their hobby just boggles my mind at times, I don't find it fair or tactful to quite a number of folks posting on here. I get so tired of seeing this sort of attitude being flaunted around, don't get snippy with people who don't have the money and time to spend on a kit that they can get wrong, if people want to learn those specific aspects they will do so without such commentary, but otherwise leave your grievances at the door.

I'm still puzzled by the LNER Apple Green livery, they got this right on their handpainted sample from the original announcement but seem to have bodged it for the main release; the frames, valances and steps should be lined black, not claret with white lining, unless they've gone for another oddity instead of the general class? I know some photos have the lining in these areas show up quite well so it could very well be an accurate variation but I'd like to hear Sonic's reasoning for the decision. I've yet to hear anyone comment about an error with the BR versions, as I believe there should be red lining on the valances but there's only the white?

I'm now somewhat concerned about the LNER Green variant. Is this simply a first sample or does Rails believe the frames in LNER are painted Claret?

I'd think any driver putting a pallet on the end of a powered tailgate would be wise enough not to just.....TURN it!!!!

The amount of posts this thread is still receiving is extraordinary, given the amount of people who seemingly want nothing more then for it to fail; we haven't even had a physical example of any of Hornby's product to be properly examined and reviewed thoroughly yet. Frankly I want this scale to succeed, aside from O (which I never considered practical for myself both in terms of size and overall cost), this is now the only other British scale that adheres to proper standards, rather then confining itself to it's own awkward sizing issues; OO and N have been plagued with compromises for as long as these scales have existed, and to see TT:120 succeed will be just about all I need to want to pick it up as another outlet for my modelling. The thought of finally having a scale that is a clean slate, standard with other brands in the same size and which right from the get go will be DCC ready is simply something I do not want to fail. I can easily see myself selling off my Big Four era OO stock and sticking with Pre-Grouping, whilst changing over to TT:120 for post 1923 and BR developments, I'm rather a sucker for the Hornby Dublo and Triang style of train set. The amount of tail chasing in this thread has been tiresome, and I feel that until we see fully finished versions of the models being reviewed and shown in the flesh that there's no point in engaging in such negativity, this is surely the largest model railway related announcement in a long time and I commend Hornby for building the foundation, hopefully cottage industries and some of the mainstream manufacturers will dip their toe in and help build it up. I can see this working and I very much hope it does.

Well this was rather unexpected, also rather interesting. My first thought being "Oh good, maybe this will stop Hornby's needless obsession with duplicating everything they see as their turf"! Big express locos to the fore as usual, I'm not surprised as this is what they've always gone for, starting out with the basics for a new scale of course it will be built around a trainset mentality, I really don't see this as a bad thing. Gresley pacifics, Duchess, atypical diesels, sounds about right for Hornby really. At any rate this would seem to provide a good backbone for other manufacturers that already have or would want to dip a toe in the water, I can see this scale doing very well for itself. For people just starting out, for those who just have a simple trainset or not a lot of OO or N items to begin with I can see this being very tempting, for myself I never took to N as I always found it to be more spindly then larger scales, but I'm not tempted to even consider jumping ship, my models are mainly pre-grouping and if it's taken RTR OO this long to get around to building up a suitable base I can only imagine the length of time it will be before we see commonplace pre 1923 prototypes in TT! Good luck to Hornby, Peco, Heljan etc with this scale.

I've been watching this thread from a distance, there's certainly a lot of debate as regards to the scale compared to the original TT. My only wonder is if this would form a good stepping stone to seeing Isle of Man and Irish Narrow Gauge be developed rtr?

The Yellow livery will probably be debated as the red wagon livery of the GWR, I think I can add a few points to it from a Pendragon/HMRS publication, I've quoted the relevant points that were brought up in it by Howard Geddes and Eddie Ballass: "Notes accompanying a November 1959 SLS excursion of 103 from Glasgow to Blair Atholl said of the then recent repaint '...the engine was repainted according to the original 1894 specifications which called for a change in the then standard pea green colors'" Both the SLS and JN Maskeleyne seemed to be of the opinion that the yellow shade was the exact same as that adopted on the LBSCR(!) In the RCTS Locomotive History book, Cormack and Stevenson give the opinion that all up to 108 carried the Yellow livery, but Hamilton and Ellis disagree with this. As a result not only has there been disagreement on the livery existing in itself, but also to the number of engines it was applied to. As a side note, 103's first cosmetic restoration had it's own host of livery questions, notably giving rise to the idea that possibly there was a variation of Drummond's green that was just a single shade, stating that "The repainting would have been proposed, sanctioned and and possibly executed by men who may have themselves been in railway service when the Big Goods were brand new in 1894." (103's wheels from this repaint also ended up on another member of the class which was then scrapped with them, LMS black with Highland Green wheels!)

The early livery is the LMS plate on the cabside with large tender numerals, this was the painting style up until 1928 when smaller letters were utilized, number on the loco and LMS on the tender; the lined black was carried by at least 4 of the class after 1928, Lochgorm had a fascination for painting some of their own engines somewhat above their station(!). As a result the lined and unlined post 1928 schemes could actually be seen running side by side. I have the Essery and Jenkinson LMS Liveries series and have put their information for the LMS liveries below, for just 15 engines there was a good amount of variation (though given the variation in lettering size and color on the LMS this isn't terribly surprising). Original Condition, Jones Chimney/Wingplates: - Code C1 (Pre 1928 Standard Plain Black, 18 Inch Numerals, Cab/Bunker Panel) 17916-8/20-2/4-5/7-30 (17916 recorded as having a short chimney) - Code B5 (Post 1927 Standard, Gold/Black Insignia, 10 Inch Numerals, Lined) 17919/26/8/30 - Code C13 (Post 1927 Standard, Gold/Black Insignia, 10 Inch Numerals) 17917-8 Later Condition, Wingplates Removed + Drummond Chimney: - Code C1 (Pre 1928 Standard Plain Black, 18 Inch Numerals, Cab/Bunker Panel) 17920 (Retained this livery until withdrawal in 1937) - Code C15 (Post 1927 Standard, Gold/Black Insignia, 14 Inch Numerals, Midland Pattern) 17916-7/23-5/7/9-30 - Code C14 (Post 1927 Standard, Gold/Black Insignia, 12 Inch Numerals) 17926

Well there's an immediate pre-order from me Never thought I'd see the day when a Highland engine would be made RTR, a very interesting choice and one that I hope pays hand over fist for Rapido, if only to see the standardized components (tender, cab, bogey, fittings) be used to mock up a Loch in future(!) I assumed it would take a very long time before anything at Glasgow museum would be picked by a manufacturer, though like Hardwicke even though these were basically gone by 1939 they still have a presence for more commonly modelled periods, I suppose that's the appeal but it works for me in any case. Hornby should take note of doing something that will turn heads and isn't just about desperately clinging to gimmicks Well done Rapido

This is what the opening page looks like, if there's links to videos via the front cover none of them are working.

I've recetnly purchased this as part of Pocketmags recent sale, and I'm unsure where else to inquire about this having already tried the World Of Railways and Pocketmags contact pages. I bought this specifically for the video, but it has been set to Private. Can whoever administrates the BRM Youtube channel please set the video to Unlisted so it can be viewed?

Received my Lucknow today in Canada, not run it around yet but am very happy with it. This has to be the first RTR model made that was notable in the pre-grouping period and vanished from traffic prior to the mid 1930s, City of Truro can certainly count but I'd wager she is more recognized for her stint in preservation then in service, with the rest of the City's getting overlooked. I can only hope this has put the proverbial foot in the door as regards to similar locomotives, if only to see a Stroudley Gladstone of Johnson Spinner in RTR form.

Really wonderful to see these, another tick off a long list for pre-grouping carriages (although Churchward stock seems to transcend that for most people). A question I have is the fully lined GWR livery, was this just a flight of fancy? I remember the restoration of one of the Brake 3rds at Didcot was painted this way apparently unauthentically.

Well I've pre-ordered the Coronation rake from a local retailer, after the fiasco with Hornby shipping the W1 direct I'm not keen on the idea of ordering from the horses mouth anymore. When the Coronation Scot was announced I had hoped we would see regular LMS versions of some of the diagrams that were made as such, mainly the catering core, but instead they're just making more of the streamlined liveries? Apparently too much to hope for.

From Essery and Jenkinson's Locomotive Liveries of the LMS, it was apparently due to the fact that Crewe was in the middle of reorganization up until Crimson was dropped for classes like the Precedents in the late 20s, many engines were painted in the erecting shop and as a result got plain black; only four of the Precedents are confirmed as carrying Crimson, and it's interesting how few LNWR passenger engines gained the correct livery before the upheaval. The smokebox numberplates are another interesting point, after around 1928 the order was to remove them from all pre-grouping locos except Midland engines, this seemed to vary from works to works althought Crewe and St Rollox took up this mandate quite rapidly; Horwich for instance didn't seem to pay much attention, some engines lost their smokebox numberplates at one overhaul only to regain them a few years down the line.

Given everything I've seen posted before about CooperCraft I'm not sure how much of the material that's there would even be useable, I believe it was mentioned the masters for much the Blacksmith range would need extensive restoration before they're fit for use again. I feel better waiting for hard facts in that regard, and am very thankful Isinglass have stepped up to the plate as regarding LNER coaches! I have one of the Coopercraft Quint Arts, barely made a start on it before realizing how much would need modification and replacement, seemingly only good for the body sides, ends and floor now.

Ross pops appeared on these engines around the end of WW1, seems a rather annoying choice and hopefully the Ramsbottom type will be included for the GCR livery

I generally assumed after the 9J/J11 that we would see no more GCR rtr, unless someone felt like doing an A5.....and here we are! I'm absolutely delighted with this and am hopeful we will see more GCR engines in the future; it certainly seems as if Bachmann are done with this particular railway. The GCR livery with the L&NER was worn I believe by the group built by the LNER in 1923, a very early transitional livery and like the Bachmann Precedent "Novelty" has been the first time this particular variation has been made in OO, another that can be done is GCR livery with L&NER but retaining the GC numberplate. 5045 in Black and White lining is something I can't recall seeing any mention of before, a rather odd look (can anyone provide more info?). John Quick discovered at least one painted GCR lined Black as mentioned in his livery book from Lightmoor Press, another Sonic may want to consider in the future. EDIT: have just noticed the artwork only includes ross pops, please tell me the GC liveries will have the appropriate Ramsbottom arrangement...!

I'm hopeful someone can help me out with an inquiry; I've been a long purveyor of locomotive and rolling stock drawings, and I've come across both W.D.Stewart and Nick Campling's work multiple times, but only in certain capacities. As I understand it both men developed a large body of work over their lifetimes but I've been unable to get any sort of idea as to what exactly they did overall (Stewart's Scottish drawings are fairly easy to access along with Campling's work in the Historic Carriage Drawings series of books), researching on my own hasn't gotten me very far and there's only so much that I've been able to determine was published in magazines like Railway Modeller. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

I understand the sentiment from both sides, but I have to say at over $50 CAD a piece I'll probably stick to building kits. I appreciate the work that goes into such things but especially in regards to stock that was built in the hundreds of thousands and if looking for more then one or two vehicles, things start to add up rather drastically, good on Rapido for continuing to add to Pre-Grouping rtr but I'll have to pass. And yes, you can "Tick this off your bingo card" all you want, some jokes are a bit of a dead horse to be honest.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the whole reason why we haven't seen one in LMS Crimson until now solely down to Locomotion's model of No. 1000? At least that's what I've always assumed to be the case, and at any rate rather ridiculous.

I apologize for being blunt but Hornby should have simply made Stroudley carriages, having a profile remain relatively distinctive to one company is not how you make a generic coach, in that way Hattons have done a much better job. These are only worthwhile in LBSCR colors, and should have been done entirely as LBSCR coaches rather then an attempt to undercut Hattons. I'm not sure who exactly this is supposed to please when the perspective from both sides of the equation (one wanting the exact diagrams and others wanting different liveries) are left with compromises.

I'm hopeful the 2021 range will include some regular service versions of the vehicles that were used as such, very hopeful for a regular LMS catering core set!

I should specify, the Class 5s carry the early crimson, what I mean by transitional is before they decided on how the lettering should be placed on the engine, IE the small LMS on the cabside