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On 08/02/2023 at 19:59, Michael Edge said:
I did an etch for the 16in OC but I haven’t built it yet, just working on the 14in OC locos now.
We discussed the 14" OC about a year ago: I'm glad there's a kit in the pipeline as I am mad keen to have one. Bramley No.4 is going to be over here, in a way.
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On 05/01/2013 at 15:57, Ruston said:
I don't usually post my kit builds for reasons outlined in another thread in this section of the forum but as I've currently got one on the go, here goes...
It's an Agenoria Models kit of what the blurb describes as an Italia class Hudswell Clarke, although I can find no loco so named in the works list contained in Ron Redman's book The Railway Foundry Leeds 1839-1969.
The kit is meant to build into the WC&P's Walton Park and is provided with name plates, but I'm not modelling the WC&P so my loco will be an anonymous version and, possibly, with a few alterations to suit other locos of the type that I have seen in photos in various books.
Rivets dimpled out, buffer beams soldered on, overlays for springs soldered on and springs bent up.
Cab assembled. I'm using resistance soldering for the first time and I'm impressed with how little cleaning up is neccessary. This picture is as put together - no cleaning has been done at all in this pic.
Screws to fix frames to bodywork soldered in and cab fitted to running plate.
Quick question, Ruston. What's the book?
Lovely engine, by the way.
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On 28/01/2020 at 14:55, Ironwrought said:
Thank you! Probably an issue with my system not theirs
Thank you, that's very useful and just the sort of information I was looking for!
I've heard of the 'Standback' name (mostly from relatives from the area) but didn't realise it was specific to Flockton Coal Co. produce, nor did I realise it was a sort of boast about the quality of their coal - that's interesting to know. I'm also relatively close (3 miles) but the industry was long gone by the time I arrived.
As I'm a novice when it comes to modelling (my few experiences with brass kits and soldering have not gone terribly well) for now I'll be focusing on locos which are available RTR, which leaves the Barclay. Besides, I've always had a fondness for Barclay's boxy saddle tanks.
Searching for AB 2195/1945 has provided me with two photographs care of RCTS - https://www.rcts.org.uk/features/archive/search.htm?company=INDUSTRIAL+(STEAM)&subtype=&class=&location=&srch=2195%2F1945&page=0
I'm afraid my ability to correctly identify locomotives is fairly underdeveloped at the moment - but to my eye this appears to be a 16 inch design with the larger water tank. I'm unsure about the wheelbase - is this one of the 'standard' 16" (as made by Hattons) or is this one of the longer wheelbase designs? I know the buffers aren't standard, I assume that these were acquired during its service at the Workington Iron & Steel Co..
Finally - what colour would NCB locomotives be in the 1960s? Is there a 'uniform' colour? The few books I have are of limited use, being about NCB sites in Castleford/Glasshoughton which almost all appear to be red, and Scotland, which seem to be a mixture of black or green.
Thank you again for the help, and I apologise if any of my follow on questions are simple.
Cheers!
Hugh
Hi Hugh,
Barclay 2195 was a 16" type and was green. After closure she was transferred to North Gawber Colliery but didn't turn a wheel, being too light for work there.
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Marshall5- cheeky question but any chance of a copy of "One Iron Horse- Handle With Care"? We had it recorded on video but my mother threw it out when my dad died a few years back so sadly I am unable to watch it. Would LOVE to see it again- first saw it when I was a small lad (about 8 year old I think) and I thought it was a great documentary.
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Big thanks to Don Townsley for his contribution to this thread, especially regarding the Peruvian 16" saddle tanks.
I promise I won't start on the 12" saddle tanks- like the pair which worked on the Manchester Ship Canal railway
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I am compared the pictures now and what I put up is a Hunslet 16". Still don't know which one it is, obviously, but what a find! There's another one abroad- at Thirlmere, NSW- but I don't think many will know about this one in Peru. Quite exciting.
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It wouldn't surprise me if modifications had been made over the years- look at the Turkish 8Fs for example. But the outline is wonderfully familiar. The stovepipe chimney amuses me- they didn't have blokes from Hunslet or Allerton Bywater working out in Peru did they?
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The six 16" Hunslets which went to Peru were 1495, 1651, 1652, 1876, 3507 and 3690- all between 1926 and 1950. Question is, which one is this? Would love to know.
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And there was also this via Google images- same blog. The blog says it's a Beyer Peacock but this looks to me like a Hunslet 0-6-0ST 16" x 22" IC.
http://trenesdelperu.blogspot.com/2010/05/locomotora-del-fc-del-sur.html
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Michael,
I am glad that I had been misinformed, because I am pleased to announce (if you did not already know) that 1643 is still with us- alive and well in Arequipa! As the other six Hunslet 0-6-0STs sent to Peru were 16" x 22" IC types, this MUST be her.
This is the blog where I found the pic: http://trenesdelperu.blogspot.com/2009/07/locomotora-en-parque-ferroviario-de.html
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Don was quite happy to let me post these photos, 1643 is his own taken outside the erecting shop with the multi gauge track in the foreground before the drawgear was altered for Central Railway of Peru, 1649 at Shipston on Cherwell from Frank Jones via DHT.
Michael Edge, thanks for correcting me. May I pass this on to Mike Morant who has his photo mislabelled?
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Michael,
I've seen mention elsewhere of 1643 being a 14 x 20 OC, however the picture of it at Shipton on Cherwell has it with inside cylinders. A mistake in Hunslet's own records, or did perhaps works plates get mixed up during the years (like Hunslety 3302 in latter years?).
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Hunslet 1643 at Shipton-on-Cherwell in 1959.
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Sorry, I meant Edith... at least they're steam engines and not women
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Another "Airedale"- thought it was a bit too chunky to be a 14" IC but wasn't sure.
The 14" ICs working in the coal industry- to my knowledge- were HE1482 (Dora) at Middleton Broom/Old Roundwood, HE1499 (Cecil Levita) at Dodworth, HE1643 (Bramley No.4) at Dodworth/North Gawber/Darton Opencast Screens and HE1672 at Frickley/New Monckton.
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Can't download the picture, so here's the link- Hunslet 1450 at Coppice Colliery OOU 1965. I don't think it's a 15" so it must be 14" IC but it can be hard to tell sometimes.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/31514768@N05/8503682393/sizes/h/
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Having completed my indexing of locomotives, I have found only one 14" example. Edith HE 1482 (1925) was first of class built for one of Charlesworths Rothwell collieries.
I may have found an earlier 14" IC- Hunslet 1450 which went to Shipley Colliery in Derbyshire. I've got a picture of it out of use in my Flickr favourites.
BTW Michael, is your Hunslet 14" in 4mm or 7mm as I will definitely buy one- to compare when finished with my scratchbuilt version (I know your's will be better).
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I can account for the fates of ten or eleven of the sixteen Haifa locomotives: 1643/29 ended up at Alpha Cement's works at Bletchington, Shipton on Cherwell (it was a Hunslet hire engine in the late 40s and early 50s- did stints at North Gawber and Dodworth Pits); 1645/29 became The Bursar at Wroxton; 1657/30 ended up at the Royal Naval Cordite Factory in Holton Heath, Dorset (named Reliance); 1658/30 went to Ferrybridge Power Station; 1660/30 and two others (one was maybe 1657/30 from Holton Heath) went to the Royal Naval Propellant Factory at Caerwent before being sold for scrap to Cashmore's at Newport (1660 was Cashmore's shunter for three years, 1965-68); 1672/30 went to Frickley Colliery in Yorkshire; 1673/30 went to Birch Coppice Colliery and 1682/31 was sold to the Mersey Dock & Harbour Board as their No.14.
As an added extra, I am slowly scratchbuilding a model of one of the 14" x 20" IC Hunslets- spent an afternoon with my
incredibly boredgirlfriend measuring up Brookes No.1 (2387/41) at Middleton back in March. -
9/13 are "Castleford Colliery Locomotives".
Did some of the smaller locos get new Hunslet numbers after a full works rebuild like some of the austerities?
I do not think they did. They may have got "Job Numbers"- like how some of the 1960s overhauls had job numbers in the 59xxx range.
I need to work through the 199 RW Co. diary and find out which ones they had during the war- I do know that one (No.7) was scrapped in 1944, in the Middle East. Be interesting to see what I can find on the others.
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Addition: The 0-6-0ST at Ferrybridge was purchased by the War Department around the end of 1940/beginning of 1941 and was undergoing a refurb at Qishon Workshops (Palestine Railways)- according to the war diary of 199 Railway Workshops Company, RE.
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Assuming that you are correct, is the "1458/25 YEP#2" a spurious entry and was there one 15" loco fewer than the table suggests?
According to Adrian J. Booth's book on steam in the Yorkshire Coalfield, there were 27 of the Airedale/15" IC type of Hunslet 0-6-0ST (with thirteen going to Yorkshire collieries). Thinking about the Ferrybridge 0-6-0ST it is plausible that it went out to Haifa and once finished with- like The Bursar and a few others- it went back to Hunslets for a refurb and then was sold on- and ended up at Ferrybridge. When I get the chance, I'll dig out my notes for you.
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At least two 14” OC hunslets made it back from Haifa. One of which made it to Oxford Ironstone Quarries named “The Bursar”
Another ended up at Birch Coppice Colliery (Hunslet 1673)- like The Bursar it had outside cylinders. Three 14" ICs from Haifa ended up at an Admiralty Depot in Wales, and another in Dorset. There was also another former Haifa engine at the Alpha Cement's works at Shipton on Cherwell (I think this had come from Haifa via the War Department). I have a list of the Haifa Hunslets somewhere, along with their fates.
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I have just had a look at my notebook.
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Of 28 15inch locomotives, 20 to collieries, 7 to Mersey Dock & Harbour Board, leaving just HE1458 to Ferrybridge Powerstation.
According to leedsengine.info 1458 was a 2ft gauge 4-6-0T which was sent to Calcutta. The 0-6-0ST at Ferrybridge was almost certainly 1658/1930 which was originally built for the Haifa Harbour project- a 14" IC. A sister of this one ended up at Frickley Colliery- again having been originally in Haifa.
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Blooper.
According to the RCTS website, it was at British Oak on 10th July 1955. As that was four years before her withdrawal, my hunch is that she was maybe on loan at the time. I've read of a Johnson 2F being used at Williamthorpe Colliery in the fifties (all BR locomotives there, of course), so it's not impossible that 52044 was at British Oak for shunting.
On the subject of Hudswell Clarke 1727, I'm having a go at bashing up a similar locomotive but with the later cab; a Smokey Joe saddle tank is about the right size and shape, once the dome and tank filler cap are removed, as a shortcut.