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I make my coal loads in O gauge from off cut plywood or cardboard. With cardboard I use knotting fluid or shellac first to harden them up. This protects the cardboard from the paint and PVA when adding the coal and stops any shrinkage.

As others have said it depends what you want to run and depict. Planning and reflection now will reap rewards in future with how happy you are with what you build. I started collecting O gauge at 24 years old because I knew I wanted O gauge and it would take the to save and collect. 30 years later I haven't built the layout (soon though!) but I have all the stock I will ever need.

Colliery buildings looking very nice now. What has happened to the 31xx Prairie tank conversion?

They are lovely models and this livery seems popular! My first impression was that it seemed very heavy. So I weighed it. Now I know there is no set standard when adding weight to kits but this model is substantially heavier than anything I've built in brass, whitemetal or plastic and subsequently weighted. I wouldn't want to have to pull too many of these up a gradient!

I haven't experience of Cambrian 4mm private owner wagons but I'd say you could certainly use these for land sale moves or stone/waste clearance. Also, if they pass for earlier RCH designs then these were being phased out but certainly in use in the early 50's but would need hand brakes both sides for the period. They'd be on vestiges of old Private Owner liveries and not candidates for repainting or renewal.

Yes a great choice and frankly overdue! Looking forward to these.

Here are the main brake rigging components. The two middle items are for connecting the brake cylinder and the pull rods respectively to the cross rod between the V hangers. There are 4 yokes to connect the brake shoes to the pull rods and I’m just not sure which ones go where as there is a difference with at least one of them. Which ones do the adjusters attach to and how?

 

I’ve also belatedly realised that these vehicles had end strengthening added and there were extra ends in the kit, two with the extra bars and two without. No mention of this in the instructions and I’ve managed to put the etched steps on the wrong end part. Hoping the nice people at MM1 can supply me with a replacement etch!

Ten years on, (TEN YEARS?!) and I’ve got the bits out of the box whilst isolating with COVID and Google searched for details of the interior and brake gear. First search return is this thread of mine on here! In the intervening decade has anyone finished one so that they can share some underframe photos please.

 

At least I got the windows in today, trial fitted the brake levers and undercoated the interior partitions. What colours do I need for the groom compartments interior?

Why not make a plasticard box scribing the boxes in (with some loose ones for the top) and make a transfer or two to fit sides , ends and top?

21 hours ago, 009 micro modeller said:

 

The problem with this is that a formal organisation is capable of doing a lot of things that can’t easily be done through a forum - specialist RTR, kits and parts for members, books and magazines (especially if available in print), secondhand sales operation, demo stands at exhibitions, conventions etc. (some of these could be done via a forum more easily than others). The 009 Society has at various times provided me with some of the forms of support mentioned (which I have found extremely helpful), and I understand that the S Scale Society, 3mm Society, 7mm NGA, EMGS etc. do likewise. So then it’s a question of whether a given scale/gauge needs that form of support from a society or whether it is sufficiently mainstream to just draw on the existing trade support. Although if there are still specific societies for 00 and N gauge then I’m not sure why the idea of one for 0 gauge should be seen as obsolete.

I agree, and get that from the N Gauge Society. But I don’t get that from the Gauge O Guild! Specialist RTR, kits and bits for members would be great but they are positively anti the whole idea of this. Stands at exhibitions to buy a tie or apron are not my thing personally and whilst the early Small Layouts publications were accurate if looking a little dated now, (the man who did these was a friend who died unrecognised for his work to the Guild, but he wasn’t ‘inner circle’ so what would you expect?) the latest version doesn’t render the track plans accurately of some of the layouts featured. It wasn’t free to members either unlike many good publications I received when I was a member of the 16mm Society. I’m confident I can save my Guild membership and lose very little if a decent new accessible and welcoming forum rises independently out of this debacle.

It’s interesting that so many still think in terms of a formal organisation. If I miss anything when my Guild membership lapses it will be the forum contributions now that the Executor and Trustee service has ended.
 

This can be quite easily set up as a 7mm specific discussion and help group. (Threads on a forum are searchable and become a database of help in the future where Facebook posts are ephemeral and quickly disappear and are hard to find.) I’m thinking of something like the N Gauge Forum, run by a handful of people who ask for donations to cover the running costs.
 

It is unconnected to the N Gauge Society who have no forum of their own but instead have an excellent magazine and shop selling commissioned models and kits including some of those from former manufacturers that have since folded.  The forum works and is the go to site for N gauge modellers seeking help in my experience. 

 

I see a future in a specific forum along these lines, free of membership numbers and ‘it’s not steam’ comments where new to 7mm modellers can find advice and encouragement. Better still, no membership fee hikes to cover largesse and losses.

Well it was a good go, and Chris Basten came within 5 votes of winning. A good solid minimum of around 350 votes for change. Congratulations to all the candidates for putting their heads above the parapet. Disappointing though that so many see those who have presided for nearly 30 years around the Management  Committee and overseen the stagnation and financial losses as the way forward. I think that alone decides me I’m out and joining any new putative 7mm Scale group. At least someone tried to save the husk of GOG for future modellers but it seems un-saveable now that future votes will be only for 2 Management  Committee members per year out of 12. I Was persuaded to stay this year after nearly 30 years of membership to try and help change the direction but I won’t give them my money again to keep that shambles stumbling along. Sad. 

Had a little explore yesterday between thunder showers and ran across this location. Didn’t get around it all as the car park shuts at 5pm prompt. Worth another visit and some pictures in due course.

7 hours ago, Class325Guy said:

 

Thanks for the quick reply. Is this the model from the site posted above? If so it doesn't look too bad but would still be cool if there was a version with more detail that would look good on display. I might get it anyway since that seems to be the only option.

 

 

 

Yes it is. I’ve added under frame and pan well detail but it’s mostly there in the box.  If you don’t need it motorised this kit is ideal as it also makes up into an unmotorised version for dragging in 8 and 12 car model formations. 

Here is one of the full unit.

You can find a body kit here for an N gauge one but you will still need a motorised chassis. 

 

https://n-train.net/emukits

 

I have built one along with my modelling colleague. It takes a fair bit of work but produces a good result.
 

 

30 minutes ago, bigP said:

Possibly only the first 10 or 11 had large vents perhaps?

 

009 B/G Large vents - 1985

010 NSE Large Vent, no date but unit is NLL branded so prob post ‘90

Can’t find decent pic of 011

012 Small Vents B/G - 1985

013 Small vent B/G - no date

 

So there were small vented Blue/Grey units about, just needs careful number selection.

 

One useful thing might be to have an easily removeable NRN Pod for those wishing to model the early life.

 

Regards,

Paul

I was told when training on them back in 1992 that the first ten had the larger roof vents. The original design tried to use heat from the dynamic braking to heat the passenger saloon. However, the design was changed quite quickly but the original 10 retained their larger vents associated with the design and they were still evident in the early 90’s when they were pointed out to me. The North London Fleet didn’t get much cosmetic attention as keeping enough in service to run the timetable was a struggle at this time. When Silverlink livery was applied a fair bit of work was done, this might have been the time the vents went but I can’t be sure. The NLL fleet also had extra 3rd rail shoe beams to allow them to cope with the larger 3rd Rail gaps on the system. 

On 10/09/2019 at 10:45, 5050 said:

A friend used to use a Volvo colour which was an extremely dark grey but sadly i can't remember the name!  He used it on 'black' locos and it looking fine as a loco that had seen some service and not fresh out of the shops.  For some of my wagon underframes I have used some 'Army Camouflage' paint aerosol which is a very dark browny black and is a good base for weathering.

 

I have used this with success. It is Volvo Dark Grey and gives a gloss finish. Transfers on next, then a Matt or Satin varnish depending on taste, (Matt for me) and then all the usual weathering dark arts follow. I think it is an excellent base coat for black ‘in service’ locos.

The small star indicates the position of the vacuum brake release cord and doesn’t refer to any possible load.

Does anyone know when balling up scrap into cubes started? How modern a phenomenon is it?

All GWR locos were right hand drive. Not sure about the caps. Im pretty sure that only the Tender locos had "seats", which as you said were simple wooden squares that you folded down to perch on.

I’ve been on a 42XX, that definitely had a seat. The driver (ex Crewe) was scathing about ‘no f%@&ing seat’ but we found it hinged on the bunker front behind him!

have you tried motorising it yet?

This is motorised! Mark has produced a very compact little power unit that is an interference fit underneath. It currently has a small amount of lead but there is room for more once I’ve done some other work. There will be enough power to shift itself and a few wagons provided enough weight can be added to get the required adhesion.

How would we motorise the '0' gauge 3D body that's been discussed ? Has anyone tried ?

Well the answer to that is that ‘toffee’ and I have tried using Mark Clark at https://www.locosnstuff.com/ and his ingenuity to provide a chassis for rue_d_etropal’s body print. I received this lovely little thing through the post today. Toffee has one on the way too.

 

I just need to decide which prototype I’m modelling to complete the suspension/underframe modifications, decide if sprung buffers are worth adding, paint, add extra weight and get a 3D printed driver in the appropriate pose and i’m there. Oh, and build a layout to showcase it!

I have these a Dapol Pannier and a Farish 04 in NCB livery. A lots of NGS Hunslets on order...

I have these a Dapol Pannier and a Farish 04 in NCB livery. A lots of NGS Hunslets on order...

I had a trip out to the Diesel Gala at Chasewater today, and with this thread in mind took what photos I could of these three locos. ‘15099’ (is this an ex Worthington loco mentioned earlier in the thread?) was giving brakevans rides. What a fantastic clatter they make on the move, with a klaxon for giving warning. Lovely loco!