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The green 31s around the Lea Valley Line and Temple Mills circa 69/70 all seemed to have the arrow emblems, both disc and headcode fitted examples.
If you spotted a 31 with a grey roof head-on (all had full yellow ends at this time), we often used to discuss if it will be one of the few remaining with a lion logo.
But only the 31s & 15s, never the Green 37s or 47s had the arrows.
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I am not saying the flat ones are wrong, I agree they were carried. I am simply offering my oppinion that slightly curvier deflectors seem more common than the flat ones. Personally I think the curvy ones look better but then maybe I just like curves.
Perhaps we should work on the basis of the locos Dapol are planning to produce.
Spirfire seems to have had curved deflectors. http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2968416
Fighter Command also curved http://www.flickr.com/photos/stuart166axe/4158496817/
Watersmeet seems to have been flat http://www.flickr.com/photos/64518788@N05/7374116540/
I have not been able to find a picture of Okehapmton prior to rebuild.
Since there seems to have been variation in the design of smoke deflectors, maybe the best solution would be to pick one style and then choose the prototypes to model that carried that style.
What do you think Dave? Would this be a feasible solution to make sure that the models are accurate for the originals?
It's just occured to me looking at the picture of Watersmeet, and the one I linked of Biggin Hill, that both these flat deflector plates also have the horozontal brackets for fixing the large nameboards (Devon Belle?) to. The curved ones do not. Maybe on the smaller light pacifics they needed flat deflectors to attach those huge nameboards to?
edit: Also Lord Beaverbrook has flat defelctors and the same bracket for the nameboard http://www.flickr.com/photos/david_christie/6171260689/ as does Exmouth http://www.flickr.com/photos/razeldazel/8023880461/in/photostream/
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I have been having a look through the albums and I agree that the smoke deflectors on Tangmere look about right. There was variation in the real thing but the majority seem to have had gently curved smoke deflectors as seen here.
I think that the smoke deflectors on the current CAD (and Wadebridge) are too flat. I think they should be about half way between that and the very curved ones shown on the previous CAD.
A number did have those flat deflectors Biggin Hill for example http://www.flickr.com/photos/rgadsdon/6925017682/ I also have a video of it departing Waterloo and the rear view shows it to be very flat.
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As I understand it, the first indegenous Southern Region Loco to recieve a small yellow panel was E6001 in 1962, but it was the only one until 1964, when a start was made to apply them to all units & locos.
The first class 33 to carry a yellow panel was D6580 (the prototype push pull one, still in green) in 1966.
As it goes, the shape of yellow panel on these type 3 locos was still not finalised in 1966, and this first one had rounded corners to it.
So the Southern was two years behind everyone else in making yellow panels standard on their own stock. and even then seemed reluctant to apply yellow to it's stock.
Off topic, but the blue AC electrics of the West Coast Route had no yellow panels until 1965, but then recieved them within weeks throughout the fleet.
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Nice of Hornby Magazine to show us a picture of an Andrew Barclay 0-6-0 shunter to announce the Hunslet class 05 shunter (page 14 January edition).
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D605Eagle, on 16 May 2012 - 10:53 , said:
What struck me as a little odd was theres no OHE warning flashes on the model, then I looked at pictures of the real things in that era, and they don't have any too. Why was that? I thought everything had them after about 1961.
Well D605, if you were working on these locos day in day out you should already be well aware of the what's coursing through those wires above your head and shouldn't need reminding!
What is even more surprising is that the AC electrics did not recieve the yellow panels until 1965, despite being much quieter & quicker on the approach than the English Electric type 4s & Stanier machinery that preceded them.
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But did D8408 just have its end doors changed for ones off a 16 with Full Yellow Ends?
If so where is it's own small yellow panel that it would already have?.
Also is the strip between the two doors part of the body/nose? Surely it would be green with two seperate yellow doors?
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11mins47seconds in... footage of a class 16 on the west london line in the 1960s.
the sequence im sure appears on a similar clip but in colour..
The clip was filmed in black and white by ATV television, but never used. They later went on to use 16mm film. The 3MT was 82023 on the Kenny Belle, one of those standard non-corridors was probably the experimental fibre glass one used on the service back then. Location is Kings Road looking north over the old Chelsea & Fulham station platforms towards Fulham Road (Stamford Bridge football and Greyhound stadium top left, Earls Court exibition halls straight ahead).
Here's a London steam version of the video you used.
http://vimeo.com/20162283 look out for the class 15 on pilot duties at Kings Cross and the the 37 at Liverpool Street both rubbing shoulders with the steam locos of the time.
click on the "nostalgia" link on the right half way down the page for more of those type videos
edited because I could not spell corridors!
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I've always regarded the cab of the 5MT as too wrong. Why do the sides continue upwards above the rainstrip over the windows, as if the windows and rainstrip need to be pushed up a tad. They got it right with the 9F etc.. Just can't look at it. It seems exaggerated on the Farish one.