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If PLA records show A64 as ex LSWR then the record is wrong, it is definetly ex Caledonian.  The axleboxes and brake gear are Caledonian, every bit of iron work is different  to LSWR vans. The door is the main difference, narrower on Caley vans the door catch and handle are very distinctive. The tall LSWR vans all had vents on the ends. The EFE vans have steel underframes, A64 has a wooden underframe.  Here is a tall LSWR van in BR days

PLA A64 is an ex Caledonian van, but very similar to LSWR vans. The sliding door is narrower and door fittings are different.

I signed and paid the other day, for RMWeb Premium, still cant get past step 2. It shows 'You do not have a live World of Railways Plus or RMweb premium membership'. 

Sufficient Power Magazine cover mentions Lodekka's and Sentinel six legger, does this mean Rapido's next bus will be a Bristol Lodekka, and Sentinel steam lorries are coming too.  

32 minutes ago, GNR Dave said:

In the Feb 2020 issue of Railway Modeller the 'Railway of the Month' is Semley. It's LSWR to P4 standards. It looks awsome and well researched. The LSWR brake van in the photo on page 100 looks to be the same colour as the Hornby model. 

 

 

The brake van in the article is a ballast brake van which would be painted red oxide with vermilion ends. The Hornby LSWR ballast wagon announced recently is shown painted dark brown which should be red oxide !

On 16/10/2019 at 18:30, Dana Ashdown said:

Just a note to those contemplating a similar conversion.

 

Potentially easier alternatives to converting the Tri-ang L1 Class include OO Works’ BR L Class from about 15 years ago: <https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/140910-suitable-tender-for-a-secr-l-class-4-4-0/>. This model reflects the condition of the class after the 1920s rebuilds, but would probably be the simpler route to achieving one as built in 1914.

 

DJH produce(d) a white metal kit, again as rebuilt in the 1920s, which has been featured on RMWeb:  <https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/97286-kitbuilt-secr-l-class-from-the-djh-kit/>. I would imagine unwanted details cast into the whitemetal would be harder to remove than plastic.

 

The L Class Tender question also came up: <https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/140910-suitable-tender-for-a-secr-l-class-4-4-0/>.

 

Mine is a budget project, so I'm not planning on any major investments if I can avoid it.

 

 

Dana

L Class were not rebuilt in the 1920s or at any other time, they remained essentially the same other than small details until withdrawal.

 

That is vacuum ejector pipe, fitted in SR days when vacuum train braking was required. Connect to vacuum brake valve in cab. 

The Brighton H1 atlantic  is closer to the GNR version. The footplate is nearly identical, the H2 is very different, but neater. Top H1 bottom H2.

15 minutes ago, jamesC37LG said:

I gave in and ordered No.488 in original SECR... Afterall, I'm going to need something to run with my other SECR impulse buy (Bachmann C class No.583, which is also on pre-order). 

 

Starting to feel like I'm betraying my GER roots! 

At least one D Class made in onto the GER , here's 740 at Liverpool Street on a royal special.

GNR Six-wheel 4 Compartment Brake Third built 1895. From Railway Heritage Register On-Line. 

On ‎06‎/‎06‎/‎2019 at 23:05, Guy Rixon said:

One more owner: IIRC, the Mersey Railway had one as a shunter that could work into their tunnels. This was after they sold off their own locos and ran the service with EMUs.

Here's a Mersey Railway ex METROPOLITAN No 61. B.CLASS. BP2580-1884. Another variation was the LSWR MET tank which Adams fitted a longer wheelbase bogie.

751 in 1920 with Westinghouse pump.

Also on Freeview 81.

I'd lay odds that it is the only railway company of any stripe whose ENTIRE locomotive roster is represented in RTR

 

Talyllyn Railway already done by Bachmann, in Thomas the tank engine guise. 

For £2 at a stock sale, I couldn't resist this tiny brake van. White-metal body with a card roof and plastic wheels, it'll be upgraded in due course. But what is it? It is really a Gwendraeth van? I could not find any images on line to support that branding.

 

Anyway, over to the Oracle.....

 

 

Thanks

 

Tony

 

North British Railway brakevan. There should a handrail on top of the balcony uprights.

I don't think so – it's a sheeted open wagon as you can see the light reflected off the sloping face of the RH axlebox, just like all the other wagons.

 

Definitely a building as shown on 1906 25in Ordnance Survey map  https://maps.nls.uk/view/105992296    Enlargement of black and white version.

I think it is more likely to be a GWR open with a sheet bar, a wagon sheet has then been pulled tight over the wagon giving the appearance of a peaked roof wagon (especially once the card is crudely tinted)

 

Tony

 

The photo of Launceston is of the LSWR station , virtually every wagon and coach belongs to that company. The peaked roof next to the cattle wagons is a hut built over the buffer stops.

Here's another project in the works and it's what I have been planning for sometime. Using the Drummond 700 Class 0-6-0 from Hornby, adding a front pony-truck, extending the running board and giving it a lick of LSWR green, this is the engine that I have been planning since my LNWR Mogul.

 

At the turn of the century, the London and South Western Railway began to face an increase on commuter trains and local goods work. Dugald Drummond took it upon himself to design a variation of his 700 Class 0-6-0 mainly designed for goods work. The addition of a front pony-truck, extension of a running board to improve weight and an extended smokebox the 700 Class themselves would later gain took the form of the LSWR X1 Class 2-6-0.

 

The first six locomotives (No. 300 - 305) were built in 1898 at Dubs & Co. Works, Glasgow, the second batch of ten (No. 290 - 299) were built later that same year at Nine Elms Locomotvie Works and an additional twenty (No. 270 - 289) were built in 1901 at Eastleigh Works months before Queen Victoria's death. A total of 36 locomotives were built during that time. Because of their shrill whistles and their green liveries, they were nicknamed 'Crickets' by crews and enthusiasts.

 

The locomotives were all inherited in 1923 by the newly-formed Southern Railway and British Railways in 1948 under the 30270 numbering under the power classification as 4. Withdrawals took place in 1956 with the last being withdrawn in 1959. Two locomotives have survived to preservation, No. 30301 and No. 30288. Both went to the Swanage Railway where the restoration of No. 30301 began with No. 30288 used as donor parts to the locomotive. New parts were made from scratch and 30288 steamed back into service in 1973, its sister engine returning to steam in 1976. No. 30301 retained its BR lined-black mixed-traffic livery and No. 288 was restored in the original LSWR green livery.

 

No. 288 was on loan to the Kent & East Sussex Railway and the Mid Hants Railway in the 1980s. No. 30301 remained at the Swanage Railway until it went to the Bluebell Railway on loan where it was taken out of service in 1992 when it suffered a minor crack on its brake pipe on the front buffer-beam as it was about to take a train back down the line tender-first. It went out of service but was later moved to the East Somerset Railway as to reduce siding space.

 

No. 288 had been restored to running order on the Mid-Suffolk Light Railway and the Buckhinghamshire Railway Centre. No. 30301 is currently on display at the Yeovil Railway Centre in Somserset.

 

This locomotive will be using the Hornby Drummond 700 Class as a basis and the number I decided on would be No. 288 and the LSWR green livery. It will tak some time, but if I can do a North Western Mogul, then I can make a South Western Mogul. Let's hope for the best!

 

This all sounds fairly feasible , but the numbers you have chosen were allocated to T9 and C8 4-4-0s. The LSWR class designations follow lot numbers starting with A1 then B1 C1 etc for locos built at Nine Elms or Eastleigh. Which makes X1 an Adams loco built in 1889. However classes where the first member was built by an outside contractor such as Dubs, would take the the number of the first built, hence 700 class. Yours would be the 300 class, but 300 was a T9.

Anyone know the running numbers of the Dover ones?

 

Thanks

 

Luke

 

The longest serving B4 at Dover was 30084 from 1951 to 1959. 30083 and 30086 also made appearances.

B4 tank was was used on the Dover seafront line in the 1950s. Cant get much further east.

I don't know if this has been mentioned before,but there is a short film on the BFI website called 'Rover Makes Good'. Which is set near Callington. The opening has an O2 with gate stock arriving at a station ,and close up of the gated vestibule. Also a brief shot of a gate stock train with an Ivatt 2-6-2T at the end of the film.

There were no 'large' or 'small' cabs fitted to L&B locos. As delivered, the Manning Wardles had a 'canopy' arrangement over the front of the cab, the sides and roof being extended forward of the spectacle plate. This created a trap for smoke and steam which obscured forward vision. Page 73 of 'Portrait of the Lynton & Barnstaple' refers: "The cabs were altered, but with no great urgency and the last locomotive was modified in 1913." The modification simply cut away the overhanging roof and cab sides but made no difference to the size of the cab itself. All three locomotives would thus have run in L&B livery for at least ten years with the modified cabs, so the L&B livery application on the Heljan model is quite correct for the condition of the loco. If we're looking for detail differences, it will be interesting to see if Exe has the injector pipe raised away from the boiler. (CJL)

The cabs were most definitely were extended at the rear . Look at any pre WW1 photo with original cab it finishes in front of the bunker,after modification the cab has been extended to the rear of the now unused bunker exactly as in post #229. Also post #219 has photos of large and small cabs and if you look at lower picture.you can just see the join where extended

See the smeg - sorry - semg page on the class.

According  to SEMG No 10 did not ever receive a Drummond boiler , only Nos 11 , 15 , 63 and 361.  Muz,s model would  need an Adams firebox grafted on a Drummond boiler it did not ever happen.

Although hijacking this thread slightly this is what the O2's bigger brother the T1 looks like:

T1 10_6.jpg

   I don't think a T1 ever looked quite like that , with a Drummond dome and safety valves and Adams ramsbottom safety valve on the firebox . One or the other but not both.

Is the LSWR version the real thing, not as preserved? If so, what are the dates it ran in that condition?

The artwork shows 488 as preserved with Adams livery and later modifications to cab roof ,coal rails and tank filler.