pylonman

Hi.

This will probably be my last comment on this subject, as I have suffered enough high blood pressure

when I've thought about it.

As if by magic, this is what Waterman and his company have done to my £455.00 ; yes you did read correctly,

attached is a scan of the cheque I've received of the Receivers of Just Like The Real Thing, for the princely sum of £0.47.

So much for the empathy that Waterman says he has for all things railway !!

Don't think I need to say any more................ So I won't.

23 hours ago, gismorail said:

Keith I totally agree with your above comments with regard to JLTRT pricing policy. I purchased their Class 40 when it first come out and spent a long time making the model into an excellent machine which I was very happy with considering it was the first 7mm loco kit that I had ever built. It was a joy to assemble although I did find the instructions a bit confusing to start with. The locomotive stills runs to this day but have changed the motor and gear boxes with the up to date ABC gears and Canon motor which has improved the running quality considerably. Looking forward I'm now looking to purchase a Class 24 which MM1 models are now marketing at the considerably increased price as you rightly point out and although I know what a good quality kit it is I am in two minds about making the purchase. Firstly will Heljan bring about a Class 24 rtr model and if I purchase one will I be happy with it knowing the high standard of the MM1 model even though the Heljan model will probably command a price of £500 ish. 

Hi Gismorail.

Thanks for your reply.

When you consider that a lot of us who model 7mm are possibly/probably retired, 500,600,700 pounds

is certainly a lot of money to spend out of a pension income.

Let me see now  ;  Model or Food ?

Best of luck with your Class 24, whichever way you choose to go.

On a happier note, and just to demonstrate that I am not just "out to change the world", I have

purchased a Class 15xx model from Warren Shephard.

I am extremely happy with every aspect of the purchase ;

The price

The way the model goes together

Post sales support from Warren

Quality of fittings and etches

Wealth of instructions and drawings

The tricky area, with the composite curves required to produce the GWR style bunker, has been

solved by supplying brass castings, thus taking the pain out of getting it right.

I don't have any connection with Warren Shephard and don't stand to benefit, in any way by

making this statement.

I know this should be a separate post, but I just wanted to demonstrate that I am not a person

who always finds fault with things, and that I will praise, when praise is justified.

Regards

Keith

I have so far, stated that I am out of pocket to the tune of £455.

If I am being perfectly honest, the extent to which I am out of pocket, is considerably more than

that.

In excited anticipation of receiving the model, I ordered and received all of the additional items I would

need to complete :

Motor and ABC gearbox (not cheap)

Slaters Wheels

£40 for decals

Paint

Loksound V4 L decoder 

This amounts to another mistake of mine, buying all of this assuming I was going to get the

model initially.

Obviously this was my mistake and I only mention it so that others can avoid making the same

mistake.

Advice to others would be, don't buy the additionals until you've got the model, and are happy with it.

I have since found the money to purchase a DJH model, so the additional materials will be used for that.

DJH wasn't my first choice because I don't like the one piece, extremely heavy, pewter,  body.

So I have gone from £455 for the JLTRT 47, to £600 for the DJH 47, and now to £700 if I want the MM1 models

47. 

It does seem, in 7mm scale modelling, that £100 here or there is acceptable ; I can't help agreeing with what has been

said before, in many posts, that modellers are probably being priced out of the hobby/scale.

What went wrong with JLTRT in pricing their 47 at £455, and, as far as I know, the same thing through

MM1 models, is now £245 more, at £700 ?

It does seem as though there were either some dire mistakes made with the original pricing by JLTRT, or

the MM1 offering is extremely over priced.

Regards to everyone

Keith

Hi.

Thanks for the feedback.

Paypal didn't want to know : I wanted the model so much, I was quite happy to wait until  the variant

I wanted was in production, thus I was well outside their six month cut-off.  The JLTRT Class 47had been

in production for about 1 year when they ceased trading.

I am in the process of following up the credit card lead , although they are resisting at the moment.

Many thanks to all.

If my experience stops one person from falling into the same trap, it will have been worthwhile doing

this post.

18 hours ago, Joseph_Pestell said:

 

Well, they would, wouldn't they?

 

Banks don't like to pay out. But I think they are wrong on this one. The one year would apply from the time the loco was delivered. Worth a reference to the Ombudsman.

Hi Joseph.

The loco was never delivered ; there is no reference date.  That is/was the problem.

Keith

What a magical system though :

Transforming the value of £455 into 0.455p !!

I wish I could reduce a few of my bills to 1/1000th of their true value ;

Imagine a whole years domestic energy bill of £1 !!!!

I digress. LOL.

Hi.

Problem was ; I paid by credit card but because I had already been waiting for the model

for nearly 1 year, the credit card company said I was outside of the time limit.

I appreciate the advice, but I am confident that I have followed all of the options available

to get my money back.

This post is purely so that others can learn from my mis-fortune.

Thanks

Keith

Very nice model.