oOld Harry 666

You call yourself old harry so isn't it time you matured? Having read what you've posted elsewhere re Hornby ignoring RMweb and withdrawing advertising from Warners, you are clearly not happy mixing with folk who know what they're talking about. So why hang around making trite remarks?

Why not answer the question instead of just trying to be condescending?  If you are so concerned about total fidelity  why are you interested in OO gauge models with the incorrect gauge/scale combination. Oh sorry that was Hornby's fault too.

A bit early to judge maybe, but if the driving and pony wheels are not bevell rim, the Hornby Crosti will merely be a characature like their Stanier 2-6-4T. One way round it would be the put the Hornby body on a Bachmann chassis.

Any chance of you ever saying something positive about any Hornby product?

This is a trifle muddled. The 'Dukedog' on the bluebell Railway is green so it has a green dome. It is the safety valve cover that is polished brass. If the cover were painted it too would be green on a green locos.

 

"Original Bachmann Trade newsletter, 9017, as preserved on the Bluebell Railway".  I could say I have just built a coach as preserved by the LMS Carriage Association but it doesnt imply it is a replica, simply that one is preserved.

I think you will find that 9017 is in BR black.

Please also note that the description went with a photo. of the loco in its preserved condition so even if it were innocent there is an element of mis representation here. However any brochure is only, legally, an invitation to treat and not an offer that is fine, however my choice is not to buy, I don't want to mess about with a model as you suggest thank you.

How hard would it be to fit nameplates to a model though?

In the case 0f 9017 it would have the incorrect tender and the dome would be black instead of brass. The nameplates are the least of the problem.

I've just checked the first few pages of the original (March 2011) RMweb announcement, and can find no reference by Bachmann that they planned to do 9017 as preserved. I did however stress to Dennis Lovett yesterday the somewhat misleading/ambiguous nature of "(Preserved)" on Bachmann's website.

 

Original Bachmann Trade newsletter, 9017, as preserved on the Bluebell Railway. Not a definite promise perhaps sufficiently ambiguous  as to be misleading, especially as in both the trade Newsletter and the brochure it was used with a photograph of 9017 as preserved.

The perils of assumption - I had previously thought Bachmann's 9017 was intended to be 'as preserved' (an impression reinforced by the description on the website), but I learn from Dennis Lovett that 9017 is modelled as working out of Machynlleth in 1955, when it was fitted with a flush-riveted tender.

 

So I'm eating suitable humble pie at the moment. (Glad I stuck my neck out though in a way.)

 

Tender swapping seems to be more rampant than I had thought!

I am not a Great Western or Western Region modeller, however when they were announced I decided I would have a model of 9017, as preserved, their original description.

Now it appears as it is in 1955 condition with the incorrect tender for preservation, no nameplates and painted dome (I know the nameplates are easily rectified)I think I can live without this model - mine can go to someone who really wants a 1955 condition loco.

I wonder if Bachmann have cosidered "Hartland Point" after O.V.S.B. had finished "modifying" it?

Just a thought, don't worry, within a few minutes or so I will have forgotten it!

At least it would not have to move more than a yard or so before it stops for workshop attention.

One will be difficult to refuse, and I shan't even try. A through train from Wessex to Brighton, just like the real thing.

 

It's just the gestation period that raises my eyebrows. I know that we have had the very good reasons for this explained to us, and I could not begin to make a useful suggestion for improvement. But did the brothers Bing, and Mr Frank Hornby, start the hobby by advertising wares that they could not deliver?

Ah, but have you thought they may have heard a 'Chinese whisper' that Hornby may have been looking at developing this model and that they have jumped in and announced theirs as a spoiling tactic?

At the risk of being pedantic, the drawings, marked up from the GNR originals, will have been for the H1 class, to be sent off to Kitson's for construction in 1905. The H2s were a batch built at Brighton in 1911 and were "tidied up" by Lawson Billinton, Marsh's successor. "Tidying up" involved fitting a superheater, but, more important visually, straightening out the running plate, so that it had only three different levels, rather than five on the H1s - and, I believe, the GNR C1s. Whilst I can see that boiler fittings and similar add-on bits can be re-engineered on a model production line without too much difficulty, I would have thought that, by the time you have changed the cab, boiler fittings and running plate, you are actually looking at a complete new body. Not impossible, when the same chassis will probably serve, but not just minor tweaking.

Best wishes

Eric

I take your point, having said that the boiler fittings will be separate fittings I would have thought, the footplate and cab certainly will be. I would think that there would be less tooling alternatives required than Hornby have needed for their A1/A3 Gresley Pacifics.

For me, the real question is how long until a model of 251 forms the next NRM /Bachmann exclusive?

 

Gotta get me one of them!!

I suspect that by the time we actually see these models released (probably 2016 adding a year on to Bachmann's suggestions to be more in line with their recent timescales) the H2 will have been joined by the C1 GNR Atlantic.

After all the differences were actually marked in red ink on a set of GNR drawings!

And that is, I think, the main reason why enthusiasts often don't like Thompson's pacfics; purely because they aren't as pretty as Gresley's.

In the engineering world there is a saying "if it looks right it probably is right" and this applied to Gresley locos whereas Thompson's efforts proved to be the exact opposite, i.e. the looked wrong and, at least in the mechanical changes that made them look wrong, were wrong!

It was on Facebook, but I cna't find it now - the Perth P2 was shown without wheels, and OH Dear .... GWR-Tank Style SQUARE axle troughs again, doubtless as thin and suceptable to wear.

Great looking model, mechanically suspect it seems...

I am glad that such final decisions can be made from photos on a Facebook site. With this expert analysis we can make thousands of development and production engineers redundant, when any manufacturer designs any new product just put  a photo on facebook and all these self proclaimed experts can tell the manufacturer what is wrong with the design and what it's life expectancy is.

Times and prices for the Janurary trips http://www.ltmuseum....esandprices.pdf

 

Met No.1 hauled trains 3rd class £150

Sarah Siddons hauled trains 3rd class £50

Is someone having a laugh?