Albyn

A box of some of the Graham Farish Figures made by West's turned up on eBay and found their way to me in Cardiff

Well that was what the late Bertiedog said about it on RM Web.  He worked for Hamblings in the 60s and 70s.  One of his colleagues had worked for Stewart Reidpath before the war.  You can look up Bertiedog's post in the search facility.  The 0-6-0T is the commonest of all the SR locos and many have been modified over the years.   In fact SR and Hamblings (who handled most sales after the war) would detail them, modify them or paint them in any livery you might want, for a price of course,

regards,

Albyn

The Train Collector's Society ib their magazine the Train Collector has featured articles on SR/Hamblings locos.  The only one originally built to HO standards was the 0-6-0T but this was widened to OO standards when SR realised that scale models of 3.5mm to the foot on 16.5mm track posed impossible problems going round the tight curves that small scale model railways were meant to enable, certainly with 1930s technology.  Hopefully the next issue will include an article on the 0-6-0T that I've written.  Too long for adding here but if you email me at albynaustin@gmail.com I'll send you a copy.  In the past the Train Collector has included articles on British outline HO gauge, mainly the attempts by the major continental manufacturers to enter the UK market, though you're probably with these.  Some were frankly dreadful - Marklin and Jouef spring to mind,

regards,

Albyn    

9 hours ago, CKPR said:

 Was  the Irish range   Authenticast ?

Yes.  They also made figures in O gauge as well as HO I think.  The Binns Road website has some photos of the O gauge sets but  I've no idea whether these were identical to the smaller figures.

Albyn 

With the identity of some of the figures on the layout being Mastermodels, or very similar ones by Merit and Slaters, the connctions are explained in The Illustrated Kemlow Story - Including the Mastermodel Story by Paul Brookes came out in 2009.  You can order a copy on ebay for £22.95  or by emailing mastermodels@btinternet.com as Paul accepts Paypal or a cheque.  Via a mutual pal I was given Paul's telephone number and had a few words with him.  He only has a few copies left so if you want one get one now!  The book does explain that the three firms - Kemlow (makers of Mastermodels), Merit (J & L Randall) and Slaters were all based in Wood Green in the 1950s within a few hundred yards of each other.  A lot of employees were temporary and moved between the firms.  Basically the latter two firms did indeed copy the Kemlow figures, though the actual story is quite complicated and you really need to buy the book to find out some details of what happened and the fate of Mastermodels in the 1960s when they also began making items in plastic.

The goods yard crane that I thought was Dinky is actually a 4mm version by Mastermodels,

regards,

Albyn

The Illustrated Kemlow Story - Including the Mastermodel Story by Paul Brookes came out in 2009.  You can order a copy on ebay for £22.95  or by emailing mastermodels@btinternet.com as Paul accepts Paypal or a cheque.  Via a mutual pal I was given Paul's telephone number and had a few words with him.  He only has a few copies left so if you want one get one now!  The book does explain that the three firms - Kemlow, Merit (J & L Randall) and Slaters were all based in Wood Green in the 1950s within a few hundred yards of each other.  A lot of employees were temporary and moved between the firms.  Basically the latter two firms did indeed copy the Kemlow figures, though the actual story is quite complicated and you really need to buy the book to find out some details of what happened and the fate of Mastermodels in the 1960s when they also began making items in plastic.

regards,

Albyn

15 hours ago, dunwurken said:

There was a series in the Model Railway Enthusiast by Paul Brookes which ran from June 1998 through to March 2000.  There is a history of the company and a list,  in numerical order, of over 100 items produced by the company each item having a colour photograph and a brief individual description/ history with on/off market dates.  

 

I have a scanned copy of the series but, due to the dreaded coronovirus no access currently to the original magazines.

 

Malcolm

 

 

Paul subsequently published a book about Mastermodels which so far I have resisted buying.  perhaps i should.  Most of the metal figures i own are Mastermodels but a few are not shown above so could be just not illustrated or maybe are from a different maker.....

Also thank you Malcolm for suggesting reading the article on PDH in Issue 88 of Narrow Gauge and Industrial railway modelling review.  I duly acquired a back number - still available from the publisher - and found the article fascinating with details of PDH's life and why the C&M was never resurrected completely even in O gauge form after 1987.  The house move meant the C&M had to be dismantled and most of it was 30-40 years old and had been rebuilt three times already.  However the new bungalow had a large garden suitable for a garden railway and with the death of his mother, who had sufferred a stroke some years before, his father having died in 1967, PDH, having now retired was able to travel more widely, enjoy hill walking, gardening and the garden railway.  The loft or attic where the O gauge C&M was begun had no insulation and so was uncomfortable to work in for much of the time so didn't progress rapidly. 

23 hours ago, dunwurken said:

PD gifted the non-working “Duncan” to Rod Allcock who has since fully restored and re-motored her. Rod related the following story to me a few years ago.

 

When PD let Rod have Duncan he couldn't get a cheep out of the motor.  This was traced to the (very crude) brush gear having worn away and Rod replaced it with the brush gear from a defunct Minitrix motor.  Duncan was then kitted out with new rear wheels (Jackson) and a set of Romford 20:1 gears driving the rear axle. This gave a total reduction of about 140:1 and a lot of noise. 

 

Then the original motor finally gave out.  Later Rod was speaking to PD one day he said 'I suppose there is no chance of getting a new Ever Ready Mighty Midget motor' to which Rod replied that the true solution would be to strip out the internals and make a new chassis fitting inside the frame with a modern motor driving a layshaft and worm gears to both axles.  There was a short silence broken by PD saying 'what, you mean turning it into a real locomotive? I'll have to think about that!'   About three weeks later the phone rang and it was PD t say that he had spoken to Lord Craig about Duncan and he's given you carte blanche to do what you want with him!'   PD also mentioned that “Duncan’s” nameplates were made of paper and were cut out from a Duncan’s chocolate bar wrapper.

 

Duncan no longer has the vertical motor but still has the gears under the roof.   The original worm and worm wheel were donated to Craig & District Electric Tramway Co. Tramcar No.2 - see NGA pages 24/5.  The worm and worm-wheel had come from a Zenith motor bogie, most probably the bogie which powered the “Petrol Driven Work Car”.  Exactly when the donation took place is not recorded. 

 

Three photos of Duncan attached, two of the cab showing the gears under the roof and one showing the current underside arrangements.   The green commutators of the current motor can be seen in the centre of the loco either side of the layshaft.  I regret I cannot show you more of the inside as basically quite a bit of dismantling would be required and, as the model is working well at the moment it is a case of it ain't broke don't fix it.  If it ever breaks down to the extent that a complete dismantling is required I will remember to take some photos.

 

Malcolm

 

Duncan cab and driver jun 2020 by Malcolm MacLeod, on Flickr

 

Duncan cab jun 2020 by Malcolm MacLeod, on Flickr

 

Duncan underside Jun 2020 by Malcolm MacLeod, on Flickr

 Thank you very much for the photos.  Fascinating.  As a young teenager in the 1960s given some old Railway Modellers, I found Duncan an amazing creation and is still my favourite.  I'm pleased Lord Craig authorised a new boiler for him to get him up and running again! 

Looking at the Merit figures  these three which I thought were Merit don't match.  The gent is Slaters so perhaps the two ladies are also Slaters? 

Also of these four the shepherd, the postman and the porter are Merit but is the policeman Slaters again?

Wow what a great collection! - thanks for adding so many new photos of figures but as they are edits of previous posts they don't flag up as new posts!  Thank you very much.

Slaters sent their figures out unpainted with circular sprues - see attached

I think Duncan has been rebuilt as PDH removed the gears for reuse?  Does it still have the vertical motor with Meccano gears under the roof or does it now have a more conventional drive unit please?

regards,

Albyn

3 hours ago, Steamport Southport said:

Have you seen this website?

 

Pretty good reviews of most of the plastic "soldier" ranges. It does have a section on miscellaneous figures which features sets like the old Airfix Civilians, Farm Animals, etc.

 

http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/PeriodList.aspx?period=50

 

 

 

Jason

If you look under the soldier section for American Western Frontier you will find the Airfix Wagon Train set too'

Albyn

Mr Hancock did indeed make use of Graham Farish figures.  This thread is a spin off from one on P D Hancock The Craig and Mertonford Railway.  I think one of the problems is that none of us know exactly what most of the GF figures looked like.

regards,

Albyn

5 hours ago, F-UnitMad said:

My introduction to Craigshire was the Colour Feature article in the April 1980 RM. I still have it, along with as many other articles from RM as I've been able to find over the years, plus of course, 'The Book'.

The 1980 colour photos were all of the 3rd incarnation of the layout, of course, so it's been interesting to see colour views on this thread from earlier times. Which leads me to a question which might make for interesting conversation:- 

Given that, in simplified terms, there were 3 distinct versions of Craigshire, which one would people consider to have been the best?

I know the layout underwent continuous development, but I'd define the 3 versions as;

1. Original, with harbour, mostly narrow gauge, trams, but standard gauge encroaching.

2. 1st rebuild, no harbour. Town raised at rear, large station both NG & SG.

3. 2nd rebuild. New harbour, no SG station, NG Pier station.

 

This does concentrate on Craig itself; the outlying villages came & went with the rebuilds.

P.D. himself I think found the second Craigshire, without the harbour, the least satisfying, leading to the third version, and I would've agreed. But out of versions 1 & 3, which looked the best?

 

I agree with your comments about the early colour photos - fascinating.  

I think the early first Craig is my favourite.  Much as I like the pre=grouping standard gauge locos and stock, the extra standard gauge did rather clog the main layout up a bit and lost a lot of the scenic content and arrangement that made it look so attractive in such a small space.   I like the trams and the castle but some of the early photos have a nice uncluttered look.  The early narrow gauge locos are also the ones with the most charm.  By the time of the later ones 009 was well established and other people were making similar things.  However his writing is a lot of the charm.  It really is very enjoyable to read.  Although lots of modern layouts have back stories PDH''s is still the most readable. 

I do have scans of many of the Modeller articles which I'd be happy to forward.  Can't really post them on a website without permission from PECO.

regards,

Albyn

15 hours ago, BernardTPM said:

I've started the thread on plastic figures here.

Another fascinating thread!

thank you,

Albyn

17 hours ago, dunwurken said:

Four fat, sleeping Graham Farish men.

 

Three of the figures are in the club collection whilst the fourth, the one which includes the chap reading the newspaper was gifted to a former member of the club, Ron Stevenson, on whose layout they were photographed.

Three fat sleeping men by Malcolm MacLeod, on Flickr

 

Rons Stevensons tram layout Apr 2013 crop by Malcolm MacLeod, on Flickr

 

At one time I thought Andrew MacAlistair, described on p67 of NGA and on p55 of the Mar 1954 RM as the chap having forty winks on the back of the work car, was the same Graham Farish model posed as Andrew McNab at Glenmuir [RM Nov 1955 p252] and over the years appearing in different places to suit PD’s photographic purposes.  As the 1950’s published photographs were in black and white and a tad grainy it was virtually impossible to say whether PD was using the same figurine not just for Andrew MacAlistair and Andrew McNab but also the slumbering man at Craig goods shed [NGA p32, lower right & RM Apr 1958 p81], the slumbering yard foreman [NGA p50 & p357 RM Dec 1967], the chap slumbering on a seat on Craig Station [NGA p53 & P356 RM Dec 1967] and the chap on the cart on p100 [lower right] of NGA.  However later colour photographs and surviving models at least answer some of the Who’s Who questions.

NGA p50 – the yard foreman slumbers in a chair propped up against the tool shed [now at Dundreich].  When the Ravenglass & Eskdale RPS donated various buildings from Craig to the E&LMRC there was a box with a number of items, coal stage, water tower, driver having a cuppa and this slumbering figurine.  It would therefore appear to be fairly safe to assume this slumbering figurine is the Yard Foreman and this is backed up by the photo below:

C&M1026 -Craig engine sheds crop by Malcolm MacLeod, on Flickr

 

I must have a rummage and see if I can trace the foreman's seat.   

In the photo below there is confirmation of the chap on the bench at Craig station.  There is a b&w photo of this chap and seat on p51 of NGA.

RM 1990 Special No2 p16 - C&M0815 by Malcolm MacLeod, on Flickr

 

Ruling out the chap on the station seat can you work out which of three models were used for Andrew MacAlistair and Andrew McNab but also the slumbering man at Craig goods shed?

 

Malcolm

 

 

Many thanks for taking the time to pull all these photos out or perhaps even take them,

thank you,

Albyn

1 hour ago, rockershovel said:

 

.... presumably on the basis that real people appear in different poses, in different locations at different times? 

True of course but I was referring to PDH's named characters, but no reason that they should be any different.

Looking at Narrow Gauge Adventure, 1980 edition, the tubby chap in the remains of an armchair seems to be the shed master - see page 50 and at least one version of "Old Andra" looks very similar to the shepherd figure I posted as Merit (perhaps Slaters?) on page  60.  PDH says the sheep were Slaters.  It seems that like Lord Craig named characters could change figures over time or even be two different people.  Angus McPwat is suggested as probably being one of the figures with a hammer outside the engine shed for instance, page 57. 

regards,

Albyn 

A few more Merit I think  farm, public servants and standing passengers.  I think the postman is familiar and several policemen appear so this maybe one of them.  The Airfix passengers would need a bit of modding though to covert them to Edwardian but the men are wearing hats and the ladies would need their dresses lengthening,

regards

Albyn 

Thanks for the photos.

Some years back I bought a job lot of figures at a club stand and I think some maybe used by PDH.

Slaters Huminiatures which he mentions using.

Airfix Civilians that were probably used albeit modified.

Airfix Wagon Train Lady?

Merit seated passengers and bike?

The quality of photographic reproduction in the 1950s and in "Narrow Gauge Adventure" is very poor by today's standards.  I suppose assembling a book or disc of the early photographs in the collection and researching captions would be a big job and the resulting sales would sadly not justify the large amount of work required.....

regards,

Albyn

Malcolm, thank you for the photos.  On close inspection the man by the West Water is not the US soldier, but similar.  The Charter Day train festival was most impressive!  Also a great bit of detective work to identify the Ford T!

regards,

Albyn 

A few more things identified.  I'm pretty certain that the figure seated on a box (a fisherman?) where the West Water enters a culvert under the railway is an Airfix World War 1 US infrantryman.  I remember it from my childhood.

At Dundreich the goods yard crane looks like the old Dinky toys goods yard crane slightly modified.

On photos of the Kegworth 2013 exhibition two small  wagons can be seen in the back line of the station.  One is I think an Kitmaster/Airfix/Dapol Rocket kit tender  in unlettered grey and the other in red oxide lettered CM is a GEM Festiniog Railway Hearse Van.

regards,

Albyn

PS did the C&M run on 29th Feb as required in its charter?

looking on ebay Weston Campbell also did a rowing boat which may be one in the harbour....