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On 20/12/2023 at 19:45, hmrspaul said:

Although rather tired the two logo Shell BP livery could survive a long time. Such as on this TTB in 1988 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/p125474082/e7c1d3b85 Despite the TOPS code I doubt it still has a vacuum pipe. Or this in 1989 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/p125474082/e74f2eb6f

 

Paul

Thank you.  I may have to have a go at weathering in the future if the "Round Tu-its" allow. The others with "ghost images" of the SMBP logos are interesting too. 

3 hours ago, admiles said:

 

Not putting airbrake pipes/equipment on air braked wagons is a pretty fundamental error. Especially in 7mm.

Those built up until 1966 were vacuum braked, eventually the survivors were converted to air brake but  the Shell-BP livery had ceased by then. The mid grey Shell would have been air braked from new, let us hope later runs will add air brake detail, the earlier liveries are fine (as long as you only look at one side). 

When announced one could place a pre- order on the Footplate site.  The details are still there but the ability to add a pre-order seems to have gone.  Pre orders are now possible via the Flangeway site.  Having placed a pre-order via Footplate if I now pre order another via Flangeway does it all end up on one list or will it be separate parcels (and postage)? Anyone in the know?

Anyone know what the difference is between O-IS001 and O-IS002 ?  Both say Independent Snowplough - 1965 version with yellow chevrons.

Indeed  of the original 8 wagons announced at Guildex it is just the gunpowder van and southern pattern box van to go. The illustration used at the time was of a GWR iron mink improvised gunpowder van, and Minerva have in the meantime  produced one of those. It could be they really meant the BR type gunpowder van, which is different, but whether that is viable now remains to be seen.

Here's hoping for the SR box van though.

7 hours ago, Hal Nail said:

Am I right in thinking you could make a BG (full brake) from two BSKs and the two left over passenger portions, less one toilet, could be used for a 2nd open?

 

 

From days of cutting and shutting the original Lima mk1s  yes you could get a full brake - you have to fill in one central door though.  

Never found a use for the other halves though, the window spacing is just too wrong. Other than cutting out each window it just doesn't work.     I'll wait for Dapol to do  it (Lima eventually did)

does it say what livery it will be in? thanks

Sadly not.

In the Dapol collectors club newsletter it suggests the O gauge club special this year (2019) will be 1401 - order form 'to follow'.  Any club models remaining after 12 months (2020) will sold to the public at normal MRP. Normally club specials follow on from a normal production run, so 2019 looking good for the announced models.

I can see a HUGE issue with the Class 22 model.............I am going to want it to keep derailing so I can admire the underside detail

Nah!  Just build a maintenance depot with overhead lifting crane (working) and transparent 4th wall.  Best maintained low mileage 22 ever.

I am trying to adopt the Rule of 4 for my Christmas list.

 

1. Something I want

2. Something I need

3. Something to eat

4. Something to read

 

I have ordered 2 Kings so I guess that takes care of 1 & 2.

Shouldn't it be three Kings at Christmas?

Have they said what scale the diesel loco is? They do N too, and HO (but probably not here)

It is a mkII 1100/1300 (sloping rear light cluster) which puts it even later, and the red car looks suspiciously like a Lotus Elite, also rather later than the loco/livery - perhaps it is the loco that is the time traveller!

A speedy recovery is nice, but a full recovery is more to the point, and I hope Kit gets both. Do the exercises and the lifestyle changes - it's worth it.  (recovering from heart triple bypass).

There would probably be variations too. Some breaches opened to the left, others to the right (each RN twin turret had one of each), and any US guns, opened above.

 

In general everything 6 inches and above would have used powdered bags (1 for smaller guns, up to 6 for larger guns). Below that, they were QF (quick firing) brass cases.

 

RN guns had at least 3 types of shell, High Explosive, semi-armoured piercing, armoured piercing (by WWII there were just 2 types) but railway guns would have been mostly High Explosive - unless used against a fort where High Explosive would not be very effective. There they would use armoured piercing, and concrete has no chance of resisting it (a shell designed to go through 12 inchs of cemented armour steel plate, will go through several yards of concrete easily - this is why adding wood, sandbags, concrete even mild steel on WWII tanks was a pointless exercise).   

One of the reasons for adding wood, sandbags and so forth to armoured vehicles was to disrupt shaped charge projectiles, if they do not detonate at the correct distance their power is seriously undermined.   Mine blast was another reason, so, no, not a pointless exercise at all, just dealing with a different problem.

For those interested, the Sherman Tanks that had been coming soon are now in stores.  I know this is of interest for some who purchased both Oxford and Hattons Warflats.

Shermans were loaded on warwells not warflats. Warwells were constucted to carrry Sherman family vehicles as they were out of gauge on existing wagons (warflats, rectanks)

To be fair the general standard of English these days amongst those slightly younger than myself (and I'm not old!) is appalling. Words like break/brake or principal/principle are routinely misapplied/spelt on a regular basis, even in proper publications with proper editors (including some modelling mags!!!). No excuse though...

Except of course 'break' is the original usage back in the day when couplings were not so reliable (19th cent).

I think the Kernow Warship may win that prize it was annouced a few months before the 

 

Wrenn (Hornby doublo) announced the Adams Radial decades ago - it would appear in catalogues but took messrs Oxford and Hornby  until this year to actually produce one.

Oh great!

 

just found this topic. There I was happy in the assumption that it was just N gauge. Now I am in agony - do I betray my Hornby version and order?????

Just think of it as finding it a friend.

That would be an eye-catching exhibition at Warley, just dig a hole 12 foot across, by 12 feet deep*.

 

"it's an accurate model of 6 gunpowder vans, crashing into a train of bitumen tankers"

 

*Hole size & debris adjusted to reflect scale of exhibit.

Nice idea, greatly depends on what the vans are carrying - many explosives do not explode if set on fire, they just burn rapidly - no pressure wave - so carnage yes, but no hole. Even gun powder will not explode unless closely confined. Modern explosives can be quite hard to set off without the proper detonator.  Some do explode as a result of flame though.

I think a 1901 built one would have had plates, and may well have been painted red. It would probably be OK as it is for my 1905 period, and if I was modelling the GWR in 7mm I might be tempted. Fortunately I'm modelling the Kent & East Sussex, and already have a few GWR opens that will be visiting. I can't add anything else from that far west, especially when I've got nearly enough wagons to operate the layout, but nothing local yet.

Col Stevens would buy almost anything if the price was right.

As a penance for this truly egregious sin you must buy two packs of buckets. 

Bucket - A little buck.... (ISIRTA)       

(I'm getting mine by the loco.)

The Dapol collectors club magazine which arrived to me yesterday a bit chewed by the Royal Mail (so maybe a bit delayed), but still legible, had a table of status updates which doesn't add much except it is in black and white. 

'14xx  CAD/CAM finalisation about to go into tooling'

Perhaps we should release the froth by remembering what Steve said on the FB page the other week about the commonality of parts the new type 2 has with other locos ? :-)

 

Froth away

Original Warship similarity of design but in terms of moulds probably not. 21/29 cab ends maybe.  Of course he could have been talking about internals.

Indeed, Gunpowder van, Southern pattern box van, conflat and 9 plank could all still be viable, though underframes may need to be thought about. Minerva may do the gunpowder but probably the improvised kind. Whether the markety can suport two versions is a question of economics.    Southern box and the conflat should be good though. 

First details of new liveries for 2018 on the Air ministry tanks are now on Tower models website.  No pics yet. 5 type A, 5 type B,  Some may be effectively number changes.